Good news on future of BOM

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Bricks

The question is, which "sway" you model.

Haha hmmm... a Fascist or Communist sway

[Kaiser]

Originally Posted by xpzorg

Try speake english? Why you translate to russian?
I assure you, for Russian native speaker is difficult to understand this set of words.

Thank you!
Now I understood what you mean.
The fact that I had the automatic translation of the page, and when administered the English text occurs automatically translation into Russian, but I could not see because the page at me is displayed in Ru
after disabling automatic translation of I saw that my posts are displayed in clumsy Ru.
I'm sorry.

P.S.
corrected messages

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

No aircraft was really "superior" to any other. The allies won the air war just like they won the ground war, basically through sheer numbers, the war was doomed from the start.

Ww1 was where technological advances constantly swayed the air war in favour of one side to the other...

The Allies won WW II because the US developed the most potent weapon still known to man and the most technologically advanced delivery system, for its time . They out managed and produced the axis at every phase necessary to prosecute a war.

If it would have been necessary the US would have designed far superior engineered equipment. However, as it was they only needed a fighter designed in 1943 and a bomber designed pre war to devistate Germany from the air.

[*Buzzsaw*]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

No aircraft was really "superior" to any other. The allies won the air war just like they won the ground war, basically through sheer numbers, the war was doomed from the start.

Ww1 was where technological advances constantly swayed the air war in favour of one side to the other...

In the crucial period Jan. 1944 to September 1944, the Western Allies had the superior technology versus Germany. The Mustang and Spitfire of that time period were superior to the German aircraft they opposed, (primarily the 109G6) and despite not having any better numbers advantage than the Germans had during the BoB, the better aircraft told. During that time period the Western Allied airforces established complete air superiority, destroyed the German ability to manufacture and distribute fuel, attritioned the German pilot cadre to the point it could not recover and managed to land in France and liberate it. During the same time period, in an effort to counter the Allied air offensive, the Germans committed the bulk of their airforce to oppose the Western Allies, reduced their aircraft opposing the Soviets to the point the Soviets also gained complete air superiority, and were able to mount a ground offensive which liberated most of the remainder of the Soviet Union as well as seizing the oil assets in Rumania.

The Allied and Soviet air superiority greatly improved their ground force's ability to mount offensives as well as advancing and capturing territory. The lack of fuel, (due to the Western Allied bombing of German assetss) on the German side led to strategic paralysis, the inability to maneuver and position reserves to counter Allied or Soviet attack thrusts, or properly exploit counterattacks. (France being the primary example)

In the second half of 1944 and the first half of 1945, the Germans began to produce a few superior aircraft, in particular the Me-262, but these were built in too small numbers and the Luftwaffe could not take advantage of this superiority due to the lack of trained and experienced pilots remaining, (many not being trained sufficiently in the flight schools due to the lack of fuel allocated to training, a direct result of the bombing campaign) and the misallocation of the few aircraft which were produced. And of course, the situation on the ground had irretrievably deteriorated to the point Germany had lost most of the resources it needed to continue.

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

The Allies won WW II because the US developed the most potent weapon still known to man and the most technologically advanced delivery system, for its time . They out managed and produced the axis at every phase necessary to prosecute a war.

If it would have been necessary the US would have designed far superior engineered equipment. However, as it was they only needed a fighter designed in 1943 and a bomber designed pre war to devistate Germany from the air.

The Mustang first flew in 1940. It needed a British engine to be successful. The USAAF wasn't interested in the a/c till the USN took notice of it.

[hiro]

winnng wars has several factors . . . many factors . . .

and often these factors are lined up like dominos, one factor falling causes others to fall also . . .


one of the key was industrialization and supply, of which as been discussed
another was the leadership quality (hitler playing general while the allies generally gave their generals and admirals to work)

strategy and tactics. the Axis powers had great tactics but their strategy had holes the Allies did not . . .

this leads into resource managment, one side managed resources better

Controlling the sea . . . (this played more a role in the pacific but played a role in western front), Germany threatened the sea, but didn't control it

Controlling the air . . .

military strength, economic / industrialization power of allies . . .

quality and quantity of troops . . .

use the environment / situation (Russian winter etc) . . .

one could go endless



I could see the Soviet planes getting more love, but as things go on, hopefully the devs will make things historically accurate.


It's pointless to argue over something that hasn't happend even if there's a highly likely chance of it happening.



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back to the topic



I don't think the devs will close it, because its not a wild rumor that leads off the path completely, and leads to multiple infractions by participants like the ones they've locked.

They may close if people start arguing and breakin rules . . . here


It's kind of like earlier, pre B6 times . . . when sukhoi seemed to get news about the new IL-2 over there.

but its hearsay, however I do remember the sukhoi news would have some truth when the official dev press release was given . . .




I don't know where the rumor started that the devs weren't going to use the game engine that ClOD used . ..

Well the devs could either continue to fix or redo a new one with what they learned form the old one.

Either way if they learned the lessons, hopefully those will cut down the time and monumentality that designing an engine from scratch or overhauling badly coded one . . .

but we can't know and speculate like the following

Then there's the devs use the ROF engine. But the ROF engine is not a current engine (this was discussed in IvanK's thread (already), and use it would be reliable but the engine is dated and we are expecting much more.

And there would be licensing etc . . .


Or ROF team is building a successor engine (and later ROF successor) and IL-2 team will use that or do a join team thing and develop an engine based off the new gen ROF one . . . That might be interesting.

Maybe IL-2 devs are looking at what other sim engines do well (like ROF, 1946, DCS must) and figuring their own way to pull it off . ..

I don't know but while rumors and speculation can be fun, we won't know until the offical ball drops.

But we can only speculate.

Still this rumor points in a good direction, that they are working to develop something professional;

there isn't levelling up or uber planes, and they aren't going to take money from players so this could mean they aren't having a pay per plane or F2P mmo model where to get the real goodies you have to pony up $ . . .

And we have the usual 2 week notice . . . It seems that's a running joke from the devs . . .

they'll always say official announcement in 2 weeks whether they are going to or not just for "shits n giggles"

But its not comfirmed, so we can only take this with a grain of salt . . .

Originally Posted by vranac

Yes good news indeed )
And something more from DEDA:
Originally Posted by DEDA
Thanks for the kind words about my humble person and the film. I was asked not chatter, and I keep his word. For those who care about the genre, and the veterans community to add that this is not a resuscitation of mummies or pleasant eye makeup. This is a new complex idea for the Eastern Front. The usefulness of the simulator in every sense, to be released not to Sanchez pockets on towns and villages of the country, and to close the target genre niche professional aviasims. That's all. Enough to swing the censer!

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...8&postcount=25

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Originally Posted by Insuber

errrr ... and who is Sanchez?

I was laughing so hard . . .


I think it means the devs are aiming for a sim engine that even professional aviators can use for an accurate depiction of flight.

I thought about the "Sanchez"

Sanchez is that mustache you see most of the Mexican banditos (bandits) sporting in those old westerns

or

that "sex" move (google it)

or

Sancho means the other guy (having sex with your wife / gf) or the other guy a woman has on the side (for sex / weird relationship)




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Originally Posted by zapatista

we already had that confirmed at the completion of the most recent CoD patch (which is only a few weeks ago), work on BoM is continuing and there was mention by luthier of some major announcement due about other aspects of the SoW series. the initial indications were that this new announcement might be about a possible MMO project (with or without still creating later installments of the SoW series is not clear)

which brings us to the current date, where a few 3e hand whiff's of possible change at 1C has the usual same trolls and whiners in the western forums go in a tail spin while cluttering the forums with their clouds of doom and negative speculation. no doubt foobar and ivanK heard something, but there is no indication of what part of the elephant the blind man is holding and then trying to describe to the rest of the crowd of onlookers. neither is there any indication of how reliable their sources are, and these would be lower level employees in any case (who dont hold the big picture information senior management has).

meanwhile in the russian forums (which are usually much better informed) there is no increased chatter or leaked reports of imminent negative changes regarding the future of the SoW series (or reports of major staff changes, or disgruntled recently fired staff members posting under new pseudonyms and bringing out all the dirty laundry). if anything there are positive reports of a new possible investor to breath further life into the series (with a strong emphasis on maintaining realism and a high quality flightsim), AND work continuing on BoM as planned

and if it would so turn out that there has been some change in the current project leader for SoW (luthier), then the lot of you have advanced notice so each of you can go and buy him a case of good vodka as a big thank you for rescueing the SoW series from the imminent death it faced 18 months ago, and for fixing the giant mess he was given when he took over. our only hope for a high realism ww2 flightsim was saved from near death, and after 12 months or so he has given us a pretty good next gen flightsim product that has lots of potential in it to quickly make further giant leaps forward in a very short space of time (since the core game and gfx engine is now working well enough to address the other residual issues)

it is much easier to break and destroy something, then it is to create it, and if any of you are at all interested at all to maximize our chances of getting to the promised land of all-things-good-in-ww2-flightsim, then you better stop giving matches and cans of fuel to the trolls and whiners who have no intention to ever help create anything positive, as they are only here to share their misery

well said


I remember on a commentary about Tolkien said its much more divine to create than to make a mockery, so creation, even if its fantasy, is a on higher level while satire, which is a mockery of what has been created is considred a low form and a ride in devil's play ground . . .

Originally Posted by jojimbo

I only want to go tank busting at Kursk in a Stuka equipped with 50mm cannons, is that too much to ask?

it depends of BoM is successful or not
if it is, there's a high probability the Il-2 series will take off and we will see that.

I kinda like that version of the Stuka in IL-2 1946; online I'd just fly low and knock off the wheels for better performance and puncture tanks.

I like the mixed fight + mud mover missions.

I remember I stayed low and all these Mustang dudes were looking for me and couldn't really focus cuz some bad team mates were vulching the crap out of the opposing airfields with their 190s . . .

[major_setback]

Originally Posted by raaaid

i have the theory the spit was is and always be uber at any game

so fars true gues who won the war

raaaid, you are truly a genius. You only have to mention that one plane was superior (won the war) and all the recent speculation is forgotten in the ensuing squabble.

[5./JG27.Farber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UPgd...ature=youtu.be

[Kaiser]

Originally Posted by hiro

I was laughing so hard . . .


I think it means the devs are aiming for a sim engine that even professional aviators can use for an accurate depiction of flight.

I thought about the "Sanchez"

Sanchez is that mustache you see most of the Mexican banditos (bandits) sporting in those old westerns

or

that "sex" move (google it)

or

Sancho means the other guy (having sex with your wife / gf) or the other guy a woman has on the side (for sex / weird relationship)




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"Sanchez" mistranslation (чесать).
Should be understood as "scratching your pockets users" - extracting maximum profit without much effort.

P.S.
If it is short:
DEDA told that it will be high-grade an avia the exercise machine (East Front) in the new decision.

[lonewulf]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

If it would have been necessary the US would have designed far superior engineered equipment. However, as it was they only needed a fighter designed in 1943 and a bomber designed pre war to devistate Germany from the air.

The good old P51 Mustang. Of all the fighter aircraft (other than the Spit/Tempest/Mossie and Fury) to be commissioned, named and powered by the British, the Mustang was probably the best