Birds of Prey GC 2008 trailer

[Biggs]

artistic license is one thing, but when you clearly have a model (variant) of a 109E that actually shows the Mgs in the cowling, yet you code the plane to fire a cannon through the nose cone that isnt even there, is something completely different.

im sorry to say but its just plain incorrect.

yes 3 cannoned 109s existed, but they were not the 109E.

im really not trying to rain on your game.. i think its beautiful and ill probably buy it.... im just saying you should look more carfully at what your programmers are doing to particular aircraft models.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Biggs

artistic license is one thing, but when you clearly have a model (variant) of a 109E that actually shows the Mgs in the cowling, yet you code the plane to fire a cannon through the nose cone that isnt even there, is something completely different.

im sorry to say but its just plain incorrect.

yes 3 cannoned 109s existed, but they were not the 109E.

im really not trying to rain on your game.. i think its beautiful and ill probably buy it.... im just saying you should look more carfully at what your programmers are doing to particular aircraft models.

Actually it was possible to mount a MG-FF firing through the nose cone...but apparently there were problems with this installation. Not sure what those problems were. I guess the intention always was to do it that way but they couldn't quite get it sorted out properly until the Bf109F models.

Still...its the absolute least common variation and another type that ultimately was a failure just like the Spit Ib and Hurricane I with experimental cannon armament.

Most common 109E armament was the E-4 model with two MG17 machine guns in the nose and two MG-FF/M 20mm cannons on the wings. The only other variation should be the E-1 model with MG17s in the nose and on the wings (but these were apparently all converted to E-3 or E-4 standard).

[Anton Yudintsev]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Actually it was possible to mount a MG-FF firing through the nose cone...but apparently there were problems with this installation. Not sure what those problems were. I guess the intention always was to do it that way but they couldn't quite get it sorted out properly until the Bf109F models.

Problem is it was rarely used by pilots, because of vibration.

Still...its the absolute least common variation and another type that ultimately was a failure just like the Spit Ib and Hurricane I with experimental cannon armament.

You are wrong. It is not a failure. We are not showing you historical documentary movie.
It is game. It simulates planes, which were actually exists - so it is historical correct.
We are not showing you WW2 statistics - and we do not guarantee that all planes will appear on screen same percent of time as they stastically appeared in the skies those days. It is nonsense.


And I hope this is last time I am repeating that.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev

Problem is it was rarely used by pilots, because of vibration.



You are wrong. It is not a failure. We are not showing you historical documentary movie.
It is game. It simulates planes, which were actually exists - so it is historical correct.
We are not showing you WW2 statistics - and we do not guarantee that all planes will appear on screen same percent of time as they stastically appeared in the skies those days. It is nonsense.


And I hope this is last time I am repeating that.

I understand perfectly what you are saying. I just disagree.

And in all honesty the Spitfire Ib and Hurricane experimental with cannons WERE indeed failures so much so that the pilots lobbied to have their old planes (with 8x.303 machine guns) returned to them. Thats pretty damning for those early cannon armed RAF fighters.

[Anton Yudintsev]

Originally Posted by IceFire

I understand perfectly what you are saying. I just disagree.

And in all honesty the Spitfire Ib and Hurricane experimental with cannons WERE indeed failures so much so that the pilots lobbied to have their old planes (with 8x.303 machine guns) returned to them. Thats pretty damning for those early cannon armed RAF fighters.

So, that's a point where we can't get to one understaning, than...
Just hope, it won't spoil game experience you. Or you can just not buy game - if it is so critical to you

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev

So, that's a point where we can't get to one understaning, than...
Just hope, it won't spoil game experience you. Or you can just not buy game - if it is so critical to you

Yes I believe we'll have to agree to disagree on this.

When the game is finished and released I will look at it, read the reviews, and we'll see. If the gameplay and fun factor can make up for it then I will give it a fair shake.

[EAF51/155_TonyR]

I hope this was in arcade mode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqFL7...eature=related

[Anton Yudintsev]

Originally Posted by Biggs

artistic license is one thing, but when you clearly have a model (variant) of a 109E that actually shows the Mgs in the cowling, yet you code the plane to fire a cannon through the nose cone that isnt even there, is something completely different.

im sorry to say but its just plain incorrect.

yes 3 cannoned 109s existed, but they were not the 109E.

There was Bf-109E-3 with 2MG17 in the nose, two wing cannons and one MG FF/M. According to some sources, it was flying prototype according to others - series plane.

If that was a point.

[Biggs]

Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev

There was Bf-109E-3 with 2MG17 in the nose, two wing cannons and one MG FF/M. According to some sources, it was flying prototype according to others - series plane.

If that was a point.

thats good and all but thats not the plane that is in your game right now..

im not protesting the fact that they didnt exist. im saying, if the 3d model of the 109E in BOP has mgs in the cowling then i suspect that bullets should be coming out of them and not out the nose...

[Anton Yudintsev]

Originally Posted by Biggs

thats good and all but thats not the plane that is in your game right now..

im not protesting the fact that they didnt exist. im saying, if the 3d model of the 109E in BOP has mgs in the cowling then i suspect that bullets should be coming out of them and not out the nose...

Oh, I get it now.
1. There was nose cannon there.
2. Trailer was captured from March (or April) version. Now is August. Game will be released in 09.
Some of models were just placeholders of others, that time.
Because I am mostly playing latest build, I haven't got what you were talking. I even talked to other guys from our team to clarify if I am wrong
Hope, it's clear now.