WOtif Hitler had NOT attacked Russia

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

What if the Germans had stood up to hitler in the early days and said No to all his aryan destiny blood and shite talk?

Good question! But that also wouldn't have happenend because nobody took him for serious. Not to forget that antisemitism was very common back that days not only in Germany.

[CaptainDoggles]

These threads ALWAYS go somewhere positive.

Always.

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

These threads ALWAYS go somewhere positive.

Always.

What's wrong with them in your opinion? (politely asked)
Please share your thoughts.

[s_goretsky]

The whole Hitler's war machine could not predict the results of the attack on Russia, and you want to predict what would happen if nazi did not attack? Impossible. Everything could happen.

[Trooper117]

Tin hats everyone!...

[=CfC= Father Ted]

I'll just take it back to the aircraft question before I leap into the nearest slit trench...

Most of the development of military equipment is driven by actual conflict rather than its threat (just look at the difference between A/c of 1914 and 1918, and 1939-1945). If the Russians had not had to fight Hitler they probably wouldn't have developed anything that the Luftwaffe would have wanted to buy.

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by s_goretsky

The whole Hitler's war machine could not predict the results of the attack on Russia, and you want to predict what would happen if nazi did not attack? Impossible. Everything could happen.

Strange that everyone else could predict it

When you invade Russia, you're not just fighting the people of the land, but also the land itself. As the germans learned, disregard the Russian winter at your own peril.

Of course, it helps that the german high command was infected with a special breed of stupid when it came to outfitting their soldiers with adequate winter-gear.

[He111]

I don't believe that it was inevitable that the red and Black dogs would fight. Yes, hitler wrote "I'm camp - picnicing in eastern woods" but he also had secret deals with the soviets to train aircrews. How would this be possible if Stalin read his book and believed it ? He Obviously conned stalin that this book was a ruse to trick the western allies. It nearly worked!

There's been many examples of powerful armies being destroyed in Russian winters, Hitler should have taken these warnings.

Germany and Russia could have been good allies, german expertice traded for Russian resources.

There you go skinners, German aircraft with red stars V british supplied middle eastern states. Stuka II (IL2) V Great Britain.

Damn scary scenario, all it would have taken is Hitler with an ounce of common sense .. glad he did have any.

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[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by He111

...but he also had secret deals with the soviets to train aircrews.
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The secret Training of German aircrews at Lipetsk in the Sovietunion was ended by Hitler after he came to power, to be exact it ended in September 1933.

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

What if the Germans had stood up to hitler in the early days and said No to all his aryan destiny blood and shite talk?

And what if the people of Iran stood up against their leaders Aryan roots? That would be cool but it's not happening. The word Iran is the Persian word for land/place of the Aryan.