Spitfire service ceiling...

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw*

but in any case, both types are climbing at a rate which would be defined by most of Air Forces of the time as being combat ineffective.

Tested now. The CloD Spitfire MkIIa can achieve a sustained climb rate of 500ft/m until 29.000ft ceiling. It's defined as "combat effective" with the combat ceiling of 29.000ft, i believe.

Reading some data from real Spitfire performance published in internet, i believe that the combat ceiling of BoB Spitfires is around 30.000ft. I don't believe that CloD is so "off".

But i'm not an expert, just tested things in CloD and compare some sources with RL data and the altitude in CloD that Spitfires can climb 500ft/m. Well, we can fight below 29.000ft, i believe that's near the RL data.

[trademe900]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Tested now. The CloD Spitfire MkIIa can achieve a sustained climb rate of 500ft/m until 29.000ft ceiling. It's defined as "combat effective" with the combat ceiling of 29.000ft, i believe.

Reading some data from real Spitfire performance published in internet, i believe that the combat ceiling of BoB Spitfires is around 30.000ft. I don't believe that CloD is so "off".

But i'm not an expert, just tested things in CloD and compare some sources with RL data and the altitude in CloD that Spitfires can climb 500ft/m. Well, we can fight below 29.000ft, i believe that's near the RL data.

Let me ask you this question, have you tried climbing from the floor to 30,000 feet? There is the answer; it is way off.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by trademe900

Let me ask you this question, have you tried climbing from the floor to 30,000 feet? There is the answer; it is way off.

I don't tried, i do that.

And i compare the climb rates with some "real life data". It's not so "way off".

By the way, you tested anything? People here say that things are "broken", wrong", but based in what? Please, numbers, tests in CloD (with engine settings used), etc.

People just spread some info that things are "way off" and nothing to do the comparisons.

As I said up, Spit IIa can sustain a climb rate off 500ft/m until 29.000 celing, and i don'y see why things above 17.000 "goes out the window"... I can fight in such high.

[trademe900]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

I don't tried, i do that.

And i compare the climb rates with some "real life data". It's not so "way off".

By the way, you tested anything? People here say that things are "broken", wrong", but based in what? Please, numbers, tests in CloD (with engine settings used), etc.

People just spread some info that things are "way off" and nothing to do the comparisons.

As I said up, Spit IIa can sustain a climb rate off 500ft/m until 29.000 celing, and i don'y see why things above 17.000 "goes out the window"... I can fight in such high.

You are digging yourself a hole here. The Cod climb rates are way, way off. Takes 7.7 mins to climb to 17,000 in cod, real life spit can get there in just over 6 mins, and that is only with 6.4lbs boost!

Also, the hurricane climbs faster than the spit. Hurricane is closer to its real life performance but still climbs too slow.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Truth be told

Most so called 'errors' in the FM can be found in the mirror..

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[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Truth be told

Most so called 'errors' in the FM can be found in the mirror..

see sig

Second time i agree with you. People just can't fly right.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Second time I was brave enough to admit i agree with you. People just can't fly right.

Fixxed that for ya!

[Kwiatek]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Second time i agree with you. People just can't fly right.

Yea? Did you try DCS P-51? It is more complex then CLOD but their P-51 could get much more realistic performacne then any CLOD plane:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=95479

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=94020&page=2

Speed and climb rate is very close to RL data in DCS P-51. Also i could reach service celling 41 000 ft ( RL data claim 40 000 - 41 600 ft depending of combat load). Plane is flown according to RL manual.

Pity that CLOD is way off comparing to RL data. RL SPitfire MKII between 20 000 ft and 30 000 ft should have sustained climb rate between 2200ft/min to 1000 ft/min. Try the same in CLOD.

So it is no pilot error just game bugs which confirm even 1C.

[Kwiatek]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Tested now. The CloD Spitfire MkIIa can achieve a sustained climb rate of 500ft/m until 29.000ft ceiling. It's defined as "combat effective" with the combat ceiling of 29.000ft, i believe.

Reading some data from real Spitfire performance published in internet, i believe that the combat ceiling of BoB Spitfires is around 30.000ft. I don't believe that CloD is so "off".

But i'm not an expert, just tested things in CloD and compare some sources with RL data and the altitude in CloD that Spitfires can climb 500ft/m. Well, we can fight below 29.000ft, i believe that's near the RL data.

At 28 000 ft RL Spitfire MKII had 1230 ft/min climb rate and at 30 000 ft it had still 995 ft/min ( near 1000 ft/min). Co CLOD SPitfire MKII above 20 000 ft has at least 2 times worse climb rate then RL plane.



CLOD is way off regarding high alt performacne of all planes. It is the fact. Planes dont reach their historical service celling and above 20 000 ft they have seriously performacne drop which casue that above that height they are practically flightless planes. Not mention that 109 could climb only for ab. 7.5 km.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

At 28 000 ft RL Spitfire MKII had 1230 ft/min climb rate and at 30 000 ft it had still 995 ft/min ( near 1000 ft/min). Co CLOD SPitfire MKII above 20 000 ft has at least 2 times worse climb rate then RL plane.



CLOD is way off regarding high alt performacne of all planes. It is the fact. Planes dont reach their historical service celling and above 20 000 ft they have seriously performacne drop which casue that above that height they are practically flightless planes. Not mention that 109 could climb only for ab. 7.5 km.

Using your source (Spitfire Performance) as I said, in CloD we have lower values comparing with the RL sources, but if you scale tings down (the maximum ceiling), it's not "at least 2 times worse climb rate then RL plane".

And this discussion about FM is forever. You believe that your work is the best in the world, and your sources are correct. I just want some balance and fly.

Mod the FMs and release to the community to test. CloD engina can achieve +32.000ft of maximum ceiling easily.

Bye!