High Leadership = little xp

[Karlos]

Originally Posted by tiberiu

The hero xp is the same, what differs is Rage Skills XP.

It does? How do u know? It would certainly make sense coz Rage Skills level up unbearably slowly towards the end when your army is huge.

[tiberiu]

Originally Posted by Karlos

It does? How do u know? It would certainly make sense coz Rage Skills level up unbearably slowly towards the end when your army is huge.

This has always been the same in KB/TL, KB/AP and KB/CW.

The more army you have on you, the less XP your rage skills will make

In fact, the difference of leadership between your units and enemy units affect this. This is why if you want to raise your rage skills quickly you should use less then the maximum possible army.

[Xargon]

Originally Posted by tiberiu

This has always been the same in KB/TL, KB/AP and KB/CW.

The more army you have on you, the less XP your rage skills will make

In fact, the difference of leadership between your units and enemy units affect this. This is why if you want to raise your rage skills quickly you should use less then the maximum possible army.

Is it true that the first use of a rage skill always gives full xp? If so, try to gear up at the end of a battle and use something expensive at the beginning of the next battle (I remember a list of the xp value of rage skills and their upgrades from the fan manual for TL/AP, something like that would be great to have).

[tiberiu]

Originally Posted by Xargon

Is it true that the first use of a rage skill always gives full xp? If so, try to gear up at the end of a battle and use something expensive at the beginning of the next battle (I remember a list of the xp value of rage skills and their upgrades from the fan manual for TL/AP, something like that would be great to have).

It was this way in the previous games, I expect it to be this way in WotN. And yea, it's a good idea to end the battles with max rage if you can. Using rage skill ONLY for generating XP at the end of battles is usually a bad idea IF you can instead end the battle with full rage and go right into another

No, you are wrong. The rage exp is based of the skill you used, each one has different exp value.

I never said otheriwise. I didn't say each rage skill gives the same XP. Read more carefully please before jumping from nowhere with "you're wrong".

Also level up rage skill increase the exp gain by using it as well, again this is different for each skill. The exp modifier also affected by class, Warrior(viking) level fastest then Paladin (Skald), Mage (Soothsayer). It has been like this since KB:TL.

Bring Proof for this. I do not believe you. Rage generation is affected by the rage capacity but not XP. If you say otherwise bring solid proof

[blacklegionary]

Originally Posted by tiberiu

I never said otheriwise. I didn't say each rage skill gives the same XP. Read more carefully please before jumping from nowhere with "you're wrong".

Straight from the game file:

-- Êîíòðîëü äîñòóïíîñòè Àðòåôàêòà ßðîñòè
function pet_after_hit()
Attack.done_timeshift(Attack.aseq_time(0))
pet_rest = 1
-- Ïðîâåðêà íà èñïîëüçîâàíèå óìåíèÿ ßðîñòè 2 ðàçà çà ýòîò ðàóíä
if double_use == 0 then
double_use = 1
-- Ïðîâåðêà íà âîçìîæíîñòü ïîâòîðíîãî èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ
local chance = skill_power("runic_power", 3)
if chance > 0 then
chance = chance*( tonumber(Logic.hero_lu_item("rune_might", "count")) + tonumber(Logic.hero_lu_item("rune_mind", "count")) + tonumber(Logic.hero_lu_item("rune_magic", "count")) )
local chance_limit = skill_power("runic_power", 4)
if chance > chance_limit then
chance = chance_limit
end
if (chance >= Game.Random(1, 100)) then
pet_rest = 0
Attack.log(0, "add_blog_skill_action_boy")
end
end
end

if pet_rest > 0 then
Attack.act_aseq(0, "sleepdown")
Attack.val_store(0, "available", 0)
Attack.val_store(0, "rest", pet_rest)
end

-- spend rage
local hero_rage = Logic.cur_lu_item( "rage", "count" )
local rage_used = tonumber( "0" .. Attack.get_custom_param("rage") )
local new_hero_rage = math.max( 0, hero_rage - rage_used )
Game.GVNumInc("pet_rage_used", rage_used)
Game.GVSNumInc("latest_battle", "rage_spent", rage_used)

Logic.cur_lu_item( "rage", "count", new_hero_rage )

-- add exp
local add_rage_exp = Game.GVNum("add_rage_exp")
if add_rage_exp == nil or add_rage_exp == "" then
Game.GVNum("add_rage_exp", 0)
else
if tonumber(add_rage_exp) == 1 then
local exp_add = tonumber( "0" .. Attack.get_custom_param("exp") )
local exp_bonus = tonumber( "0" .. Logic.hero_lu_item("sp_addexp_spirit","count") )
Attack.add_exp(exp_add*(1+exp_bonus/100) )
end
end
return true
end


Rage exp has nothing to do with your army size or the amount of rage you have. You get less with larger army because you finish battle faster = less chance to use rage skill.

This will be the only time I post such thing.

[blacklegionary]

Originally Posted by tiberiu

This has always been the same in KB/TL, KB/AP and KB/CW.

The more army you have on you, the less XP your rage skills will make

In fact, the difference of leadership between your units and enemy units affect this. This is why if you want to raise your rage skills quickly you should use less then the maximum possible army.

No, you are wrong. The rage exp is based of the skill you used, each one has different exp value. Also level up rage skill increase the exp gain by using it as well, again this is different for each skill. The exp modifier also affected by class, Warrior(viking) level fastest then Paladin (Skald), Mage (Soothsayer). It has been like this since KB:TL.

Your Paladin rage skill level is low because you just don't use it much.

[Fatt_Shade]

Good way for lvl up rage skills is summon army with black dragon stack. How i did it in AP/CW (here should be same) :
Find some mostly ranged enemy and from start of battle summon as much as possible and just push summons on enemy but DONT kill them. Just clog arena in summons and fly over YOUR units with black dragon killing them and gaining lots of rage. That rage use for non dmginig rage skills - in AP/CW was mana accelerator , mystic egg , wall. When get bored just leave lightning ball (best exp for rage skill) to kill enemy units. Once i got from 32 to 37 lvl pet dragon with this in one battle (mana accelerator exp gain was 105 per cast)

[LegendMaker]

Thank for the info, Fatt Shade!

To sum it up, arrive at the battlefield almost "naked" troops wise compared to the enemy army, but with full rage, and cast a mass destruction rage spell like Gudriga's rage on a maximum of enenmies at once straight away = a ton of rage xp.

[Loopy]

Are the rage XP per class multipliers the same as in previous KB games? Because now that Skald has more leadership it would seem that they get a bit shafted, when they should be better than Soothsayer.

The scalar from enemy troop leadership / your troop leadership is capped. I'm not entirely sure what the formula is, in the KB:AP guide it looks like everything is literally done twice, but the scalar is capped at 1x at one time and at 2x the other time. The whole thing is somewhat poorly translated and not all the well explained though so I'm not entirely sure what the big picture of things is.

[Fatt_Shade]

About lvlingup rage skills difference between classes, there is info on this. Go to game folder/sessions/addon/ses.kfs/hero.txt file and check for this : k_spirit_up=
Every class have different modifier for spirit exp (warrior highest, soothsayer lowest). So yes there is difference in base for every class rage exp gain.
rage generation in battle is whole other thing, and is effected by rage hero skill in might tree, or some item like spear of rage (+20% rage generation speed), pain skull (+50%) , baal belt (+25%).