BoM: Wonder if they'll model the poor Soviet Plexiglass?

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Originally Posted by Flanker35M

S!

I would not expect them to model the actual numbers for the VVS fighters as the whine would overwhelm anything seen here. LAgG-3 was utter piece of crap, pilots had to fly radiators open to avoid overheat, engine was underpowered, craftmanship sub-par. Add to that fumes, yellow tint plexiglass etc. and you get the pic.

Can't bet. So manifested evacuation factories in the Urals and 24 hours work of children and untrained women.

My grandfather was builder of new factories in Siberia and Urals in 41-43. They built big (in comparison) factories (200x120 meters) in woodland in one month.

[vranac]

Originally Posted by Flanker35M

S!

I would not expect them to model the actual numbers for the VVS fighters as the whine would overwhelm anything seen here. LAgG-3 was utter piece of crap, pilots had to fly radiators open to avoid overheat, engine was underpowered, craftmanship sub-par. Add to that fumes, yellow tint plexiglass etc. and you get the pic.

First battles with La-5 were far from a success, Yak's had to ESCORT them because of poor performance and Bf109F-4/G-2 outperforming them in every way almost. Excessive workload for the pilot in La-5, undercarriages suffering breakages etc. List goes on and on. Stalin said: Quantity in itself is quality. Go figure.

What I expect to see in sequel are those TsAGI values with polished, stripped and seamless planes etc. The so called paper numbers which very few, if any, production aircraft met. The Russian FMs in IL-2 were already copy/paste in many planes..

I think you are wrong.
Try to read something here with translator as I did.

http://iremember.ru/letchiki-istrebiteli/blog.html

http://iremember.ru/letchiki-shturmoviki/blog.html

You even have technical personnel.

http://iremember.ru/letno-tekh-sostav/blog.html

You will find many details there as wich fuel was used in particular sq(colour)
even how the food was and did they get 100g of vodka )


Germans had better planes in the beginning and more experienced pilots.
Germans used different tacticks then VVS.

99% pilots showed respect for LW pilots but also sad that they never attacked if they are not in a better position.They also never closely protected their bombers they were always ~3000m higher and not so close so russian pilots usually divide in two groups, one engaging fighters and other attacking bombers.

On the other way VVS bombers were closely protected and pilots were even punished for loss of bombers.
Covering group was also divided one close with bombers and other would engage enemy fighters.

Yes LW pilot could disengage at few first years of war but you will see if you read some of those memoirs that in combat speed they were on pair with german planes.
For the VVS pilots disengage was not an option.
Pilots who did that few times were sent as gunner in Il-2 to gather some courage.
But that was very rare.

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Thank you Vranac for links. Very interesting. Here I found the interview of the famous pilot of Il-2 http://iremember.ru/letchiki-shturmo...ndreevich.html

And very interesting story of La-5FN pilot http://www.airpages.ru/ru/aleks.shtml

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Originally Posted by vranac

For the VVS pilots disengage was not an option.
Pilots who did that few times were sent as gunner in Il-2 to gather some courage.
But that was very rare.

Salute

With all due respect to the sacrifice of many Russian and other Soviet nationality lives, this as an example of inflexible Soviet tactical doctrine, (from Stalin) requiring pilots to stay and fight when a better situation would be to disengage and return later, is just one reason why the Soviet losses were so huge. (they admitted losing 60,000 planes, claimed 80,000 Germans, but German loss figures were about 15,000)

Requiring Fighters to load rockets and bombs, and sending them in at low altitudes, the whole lack of a high altitude air superiority fighter, meant the Germans were default given complete dominance up high, as well as the initiative and the ability to make attacks when and where they chose, all of this led to the losses, and the creation of the high scoring East Front Luftwaffe Aces.

It wasn't till Alexander Pokryshkin and others developed better tactics, and began to fly at higher alts that the Soviets began to turn the tables. And their gaining air superiority really had more to do with simple numbers than any good planning by the VVS higher ranks.