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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 10-23-2012, 01:32 AM
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I'd find a tutorial on how to effectively load out your plane very useful, being a noob.
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:36 AM
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Salute

I am going to correct myself, it appears the SMK (H) was used in aircraft, although again, it is clear it was a very rare round, it was not used in aircraft exclusively, was listed in being used by the Wermacht in a number of weapons, and the Wehrmacht was a much larger customer.

US Army Medical Corps did a survey of wounds and deaths due to enemy action, determining the source of the casualties, a rather gruesome survey, (don't click on the photo links unles you want to know the realities of what ordinance does to the human body) but exhaustive, it notes in 'Enemy Ordanance Material' in paragraph 54/Table 9 of the following link that some (non-standard) tungsten cored bullets were used in aircraft mounting the MG15:

http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksd...cs/default.htm

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Old 10-23-2012, 01:40 AM
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Salute

I am going to correct myself, it appears the SMK (H) was used in aircraft, although again, it is clear it was a very rare round.

US Army Medical Corps did a survey of wounds and deaths due to enemy action, determining the source of the casualties, a rather gruesome survey, (don't click on the photo links unles you want to know the realities of what ordinance does to the human body) but exhaustive, it notes in 'Enemy Ordanance Material' in paragraph 54/Table 9 of the following link that some (non-standard) tungsten cored bullets were used in aircraft mounting the MG15:

http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksd...cs/default.htm
Buzzsaw the unstoppable...thread derailed.

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Old 10-23-2012, 01:54 AM
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Another source showing the SmK (H) used by the Wehrmacht in its Infantry weapons and obviously was the biggest user of this ammo.

US Army Military History document, see page 188 for details of bullet:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12980915/26/a-Introduction
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:57 AM
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Buzzsaw the unstoppable...thread derailed.

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Salute AbortedMan

With respect, I did reply to your comments earlier, and suggested you bring forward some proof regarding hacking.

The fact that this issue of the Tungsten round has come forward during the discussion is obviously relevant to the number of Pilot Kills you (and I) have noticed.

An MG round which penetrates right through the armoured seatback is going to make it a lot easier to make these insta-kills.
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Old 10-23-2012, 02:27 AM
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Salute AbortedMan

With respect, I did reply to your comments earlier, and suggested you bring forward some proof regarding hacking.

The fact that this issue of the Tungsten round has come forward during the discussion is obviously relevant to the number of Pilot Kills you (and I) have noticed.

An MG round which penetrates right through the armoured seatback is going to make it a lot easier to make these insta-kills.
Of course, and due respect reciprocated...I just didn't see the relevance of bringing ballistics vs anatomical studies and records of the written recollections of availability of ordnance into a discussion regarding someone possibly editing game files to insta-kill players.

The ordnance is available in game en masse, unlimited, therefore its logistics is a non-issue. The effects of the the player's "body" is boolean, it either kills you or it doesn't, there's no wounding going on here, that's the issue I believe the OP was talking about.

In any case, there's nothing that can be done here about it except bait the trolls for their squeamishly giggly offerings of "L2Play, noob" as seen in posts previous.
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Old 10-23-2012, 02:51 AM
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for the people that seem to be blind to the fact that this game can be modded have a look here

(i have 3 steam accounts 2 with just this game have gone on servers that are empty and flown those 109 mods often and still have all 3 accounts there for one can deduce vac is not active)


http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/forumdisplay.php?f=199

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=23921

nuf said

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Old 10-23-2012, 03:59 AM
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I suggest a new thread is opened to discuss ammo load outs and ballistics for this one to stay in topic.
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for the people that seem to be blind to the fact that this game can be modded have a look here

(i have 3 steam accounts 2 with just this game have gone on servers that are empty and flown those 109 mods often and still have all 3 accounts there for one can deduce vac is not active)


http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/forumdisplay.php?f=199

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=23921

nuf said
Tell us more!
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Old 10-23-2012, 04:32 AM
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I'd like to note that while it sucks being PKd so consistently by the same couple if people, it is kinda cool that there is a bit of infamy surrounding the player in question...he's kinda like ATAGs Red Baron.
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Old 10-23-2012, 04:52 AM
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for the people that seem to be blind to the fact that this game can be modded have a look here

(i have 3 steam accounts 2 with just this game have gone on servers that are empty and flown those 109 mods often and still have all 3 accounts there for one can deduce vac is not active)


http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/forumdisplay.php?f=199

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=23921

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Salute Pegasus

The comments in the links you have posted are quite old.

However, they do indicate German players were flying with 109 mods on online servers.

There is much "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" about how the Luftwaffe side is doing well.

The question is, were those players flying on servers loaded with Beta patches, or were they flying on official Steam program servers?

There is a big difference between a Beta patched server and one loaded with an official Steam install.
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