I dont care what the Whiners say...

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

Last few days I've been waiting for someone to post something I could relate too 100%.

Thanks El for providing me that opportunity. It seems to me from conversations with old Il2 squadmates on facebook, email and "old dusty forums" that a lot of folks are "coming back" to fly. While the software still has a bit of rough edges, it's more than good enough to fill servers with old pilots, and perhaps new ones too.

A quick, non-scientific check of CoD activity within the realm of Combat Flight Sims looks like this (online statistics checked both in RoF and Clod):

116 pilots on-line in CoD servers
89 pilots on-line in RoF servers

SIMHQ Forum count (active viewers logged in)

DCS 59
CoD 53
RoF 19

1C CoD forums

31 Members
60 "Guests"

I find the 60 Guests to be interesting. Possibly a nice statistic for those that wonder what percent of the viewing public on these forums actually post, or a surge in new people checking out CoD? I don't know.

Anyway, just built a new system - and am really, really enjoying this. For the first time in over a year I'm having a lot of fun with all my flight sims - but can't stop playing CoD to enjoy the rest

After benchmarking CoD, RoF and DCS P-51D on my new system - I found that CoD, by a large margin, utilized more of my 6 cores than any of the other titles. I was a bit worried that the extra money spent wouldn't be worth it - but it is in CoD it was.

S!

Gunny

[Hood]

Originally Posted by TUSA/TX-Gunslinger

Last few days I've been waiting for someone to post something I could relate too 100%.

Thanks El for providing me that opportunity. It seems to me from conversations with old Il2 squadmates on facebook, email and "old dusty forums" that a lot of folks are "coming back" to fly. While the software still has a bit of rough edges, it's more than good enough to fill servers with old pilots, and perhaps new ones too.

A quick, non-scientific check of CoD activity within the realm of Combat Flight Sims looks like this (online statistics checked both in RoF and Clod):

116 pilots on-line in CoD servers
89 pilots on-line in RoF servers

SIMHQ Forum count (active viewers logged in)

DCS 59
CoD 53
RoF 19

1C CoD forums

31 Members
60 "Guests"

I find the 60 Guests to be interesting. Possibly a nice statistic for those that wonder what percent of the viewing public on these forums actually post, or a surge in new people checking out CoD? I don't know.

Anyway, just built a new system - and am really, really enjoying this. For the first time in over a year I'm having a lot of fun with all my flight sims - but can't stop playing CoD to enjoy the rest

After benchmarking CoD, RoF and DCS P-51D on my new system - I found that CoD, by a large margin, utilized more of my 6 cores than any of the other titles. I was a bit worried that the extra money spent wouldn't be worth it - but it is in CoD it was.

S!

Gunny

And how many were playing IL2? More than both together I'd bet.

El, what a dumb thread; like who cares what you'll do - it won't influence anyone.

We're all flight sim fans here and if it fulfills its potential we'll all be happy.

Hood

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Hood

And how many were playing IL2? More than both together I'd bet.

El, what a dumb thread; like who cares what you'll do - it won't influence anyone.

We're all flight sim fans here and if it fulfills its potential we'll all be happy.

Hood

Forums are for discussions. Posters are not expected to be world class journalists or experts of simulation air combat.

Members share and discuss things that relate to their interest in COD.

So, yeah... straight talk for you. There are a lot of well educated and competent people that enjoy this forums. Your high minded rhetoric can definitely be dealt with by many here. SO, it isn't a best course of chit chat to defame anyone.

In fact, we have some members than can create so much verbal heat for you, that you will feel it and see it in your very red face. You can look in a mirror and see it.

[lokitexas]

If some people have very low expectations, limited-to-no gameplay with other sims, dont mind getting broken products, a whole mess of BS posts from devs, then yeah, you can definitly enjoy this game.

Just a note.... if "whiners" dont bother you so much, why do you feel the need to post, that they dont? Obviously it bothers you that that others find the end product far from good. Dont get all sour grapes.

[Freycinet]

Originally Posted by lokitexas

If some people have very low expectations, limited-to-no gameplay with other sims, dont mind getting broken products, a whole mess of BS posts from devs, then yeah, you can definitly enjoy this game.
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Sorry, just out of curiosity: if that is your opinion why are you even in this forum? If I felt like that about CoD I'd never bother to join a forum about the sim. So I'm honestly just curoius.

[CaptainDoggles]

So, this thread has established that if you aren't 100% satisfied with CLOD and aren't willing to lie and give it 5/5 reviews and aren't going to pre-order the sequel, then

a) You are a whiner

b) You are killing the entire combat flight sim genre.

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

So, this thread has established that if you aren't 100% satisfied with CLOD and aren't willing to lie and give it 5/5 reviews and aren't going to pre-order the sequel, then

a) You are a whiner

b) You are killing the entire combat flight sim genre.

Doggles, i have never given this sim a 5/5 review, and still wouldn't. But now it is enjoyable enough for me to come back in and actually have fun with it, which I was not doing before.

And yes, I do think that the angry mob nature of handling issues, and the total lack of the most basic politeness when talking about issues is one of the reasons why the genre is fading away. The folks gazing bleary eyed at their monitors while typing millions of lines of code are human beings. They are not faceless gears in a monolithic money machine. They have feelings, and fears, and by and large work pretty damned hard and I totally understand why they would not bother to come here and be constantly bashed by a bunch of middle aged guys acting like 13 year old playground bullies.

If I had the money it took to back a virtual experience project like a computer game, I tell you I'd think long and hard before I chose a combat flight sim as the project of choice, even though I love the genre, and military aviation generally.

Why put up with a number of people who don't play the sim, who have repeatedly expressed that they don't like it, won't buy anything else from that team, and continue to bash a dead horse?

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

So, this thread has established that if you aren't 100% satisfied with CLOD and aren't willing to lie and give it 5/5 reviews and aren't going to pre-order the sequel, then

a) You are a whiner

b) You are killing the entire combat flight sim genre.

No.

a) it establishes that nobody is 100% satisfied but only the whiners will make everybody know just how much it has ruined their lives driving them to make up lies about the true meaning of threads which cast even the slightest positive light on it.

b) the genre will almost certainly die if COD dies....care to name any other WWII dedicated flight sims being produced?.....ROF and DCS won't be filling that gap for a very long time, if ever, and all we are left with is the venerable old IL2 which does not generate any revenue for 1C and won't go on forever.

Freycinet said:

Sorry, just out of curiosity: if that is your opinion why are you even in this forum? If I felt like that about CoD I'd never bother to join a forum about the sim. So I'm honestly just curoius.

Probably for the same reason I still dip in occasionally. That is to say, because our interest does not prevent us from making clear-headed judgements about the game and its release, and history. And despite all that, we hold an interest. But no, we probably wont join in with the euphoria of a working patch and collective amnesia and gratefulness that has suddenly erupted after, what, a year and a half?

Also, there is an element of irony in your post, in that you have often posted in other forums which are ear-marked as expressly for criticising CLOd, or at least discussing it rationally. That forum (I am treading carefully, but you know which one I mean) is one where you stated you would not post. So, maybe best to de-polish the black pot and kettle?

Now that the mods have recently come out and explicitly stated they would promote only positive reaction (no surprise, this has been the case all along, at least now they're upfront about it...) an dby implication, crack down on critcism...people seem to think they have carte blanchs to attack the 'whiners'. And maybe, here in this forum, they do. But I'm sure a few of us will occasionally reply until it's our turn to be booted. Which will also happen, as it has been steadily happening for some time.

Basically, a semi-successful patch to get the game to a near working status (albeit with no offline game to speak of, or dynamic weather/campaign etc) after a year and a half...and the balloons and bunting are out. Grateful for small mercies, perhaps.

Perhaps if there was a half-decent game modelling the same era, this place would have emptied a long time ago. It depends on what you expect, and what you will settle for, I guess.

And note, I've managed to steer clear of your own *very* colourful history with this game. It might be wise not to play the elder statesman - some of us do have memories.

[Freycinet]

Originally Posted by Falstaff

And note, I've managed to steer clear of your own *very* colourful history with this game. It might be wise not to play the elder statesman - some of us do have memories.

As if I have something to hide?! Heh...

What I'd go quietly about would be spending countless hours in forums slagging a sim I detested (tho weirdly never having tried it). Happily I'm not in such a pathetic situation...