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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 10-19-2012, 09:23 PM
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well, even when seh´s able to fly decent at 8500 would be enough to totally pork the 109s. Hopefully this planes stays off the servers then.

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Why? Spitfire had slightly better ceiling in real life, too.
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Old 10-20-2012, 06:20 AM
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The altitude problem is tied to the global model rather than to the aircraft FMs per Luthier. I think fixing it will require a whole lot more than just fiddling a bit with the aircraft paramters.
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Old 10-20-2012, 07:23 AM
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The altitude problem is tied to the global model rather than to the aircraft FMs per Luthier. I think fixing it will require a whole lot more than just fiddling a bit with the aircraft paramters.
Yea you are right in him saying there would be a lot of work but I assumed that would be the altitude as a whole not just certain fighter FM's? Which word point to specific FM's and not a global model as a whole
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Old 10-20-2012, 08:56 PM
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Which word point to specific FM's and not a global model as a whole
Or both (my guess).
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Old 10-20-2012, 08:59 PM
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It doesn't matter if the spit can climb that high. RAF pilots still spend 99% of their time below 3000m anyways, so what does it matter?
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Old 10-20-2012, 09:18 PM
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The fact is all the Merlin aircraft except the Spit IIA have a serious engine rumble issue that varies from type to type from as low as 7000 feet up to around 16,000ft. Throughout this band they are all power limited. You can transit this band with limited power to keep the rumbles at bay. The 109 suffers no such issue in this band. Its a fact of life in CLOD that has to be worked around. The fact that the RAF types can struggle up to a higher altitude than the 109 is being overstated .... who is going to use that capability to fight ? Agreed there is a global altitude issue in the FM/EM's it shouldnt be there but we are stuck with it.

As to Eng cooling its no a big deal in the RAF types any more. the last RC2 made some significant changes in this area. Engine cooling is easily managed at high power settings, it requires a little more attention than the 109 though.
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Old 10-22-2012, 07:51 AM
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well, I don't remember red pilots accepting their porked planes, or blue pilots mocking them by saying "you have to fight with what you have" back when the situation was viceversa..

too bad the blue pilots restrained their complains about their planes, and never got so vocal as the red faction, as they understood the red planes were actually more porked by theirs.

yet, you can damn bet we will fight with what we do have

but at least add altitude bomber flights (even have them a little bit lower, to not force poor reds struggle too much) and reds having to attack and destroy them while blues have to protect them. And this should be the way the victory is counted on BoB server: for blues in how many ground targets their bombers have destroyed, and how many of them went back alive, while for reds viceversa that would drag the reds from down the deck, and provide a much closer BoB experience for both parties.

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Old 10-20-2012, 08:03 AM
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The altitude problem is tied to the global model rather than to the aircraft FMs per Luthier. I think fixing it will require a whole lot more than just fiddling a bit with the aircraft paramters.
This.

Besides there are not that many fights going on up high anyway. The 109 can still outclimb and outspeed the RAF fighters no problem. red fighters still have chronic overheating problems. The difference is blue pilots have to consider energy now, that is all.
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Old 10-20-2012, 04:29 PM
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why the hell did noone in 5./JG27 or 6./JG26 got told that their planes are nerfed
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Old 10-20-2012, 07:15 AM
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Why? Spitfire had slightly better ceiling in real life, too.

ehem 9000m vs 7400m like we have ingame i would not call slightly better. Thats a major advantage in altitude which can be converted to energy! I mean later in the war german fighters get problems at these alltitudes anyhow because of the P51 and thats historically correct. I have no problems with that. But BOB? No way.
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