the air forces know the secret for uber piloting the sports world doesnt

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by raaaid

so you still believe the 6 mm run are dead zone? if not the short run advantage is proved

youre so thick, proof it or shut up

and how do you dare to call me lier after having posted all subjects i passed in college, from latin to steam engines

edit:

why dont you get raceroom an steam free game and prove me wrong by driving with 400º run when i admit i got the record only for going with 40º and beat some of my 3 records in that masive free game

then you can talk by now its me and not you whos doing the uber piloting

Yes it might work on a racing game but its nothing like flying and especially nothing like dogfighting where precise aiming is key...

Take one obvious example, Airbus and Boeing.

Airbus use a sidestick and Boeing a conventional yoke.

Airbus uses a fly-by-wire system and a sidestick as the aircraft adheres to a strict flight envelope that is set within the flight limits of that particular aircraft. The pilot has limited control of the aircraft and in theory cannot endanger the crew and passengers by making the aircraft perform a maneuver that would otherwise lead to a stall or over loading and failure of the structure.

Boeing also a fly-by-wire system but they use a yoke. Now the reason that they use a centre stick is because unlike the Airbus aircraft even though they have a flight envelope the pilot IS in control of the aircraft and can make the aircraft perform maneuvers that could lead to a stall etc...

Which aircraft do most pilots prefer... Boeing obviously, they are in complete control if they need to not the flight computer.

Now obviously passengers jets and yokes can't be compared to centre sticks and side sticks in a fighter aircraft so case two, modern fighter jets...

Yes the current trend is sidesticks, but there is a very very simple reason for this. The design, modern military jets are designed to be EXTREMELY unstable and are kept in the sky by the computer not by the pilot, the modern pilots fly by the instruments in front of him and a centre stick is intrusive so that's one benefit of a sidestick.

So there you have it, nothing to do with how sensitivity or precision... the reason that modern jets use side stick is that in reality modern pilots do not have complete control over the aircraft the COMPUTER does.

Find me a military fighter aircraft that does not use fly-by-wire and has a side stick please.

@Winny, I hope you found that interesting

[winny]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Yes it might work on a racing game but its nothing like flying and especially nothing like dogfighting where precise aiming is key...

Take one obvious example, Airbus and Boeing.

Airbus use a sidestick and Boeing a conventional yoke.

Airbus uses a fly-by-wire system and a sidestick as the aircraft adheres to a strict flight envelope that is set within the flight limits of that particular aircraft. The pilot has limited control of the aircraft and in theory cannot endanger the crew and passengers by making the aircraft perform a maneuver that would otherwise lead to a stall or over loading and failure of the structure.

Boeing also a fly-by-wire system but they use a yoke. Now the reason that they use a centre stick is because unlike the Airbus aircraft even though they have a flight envelope the pilot IS in control of the aircraft and can make the aircraft perform maneuvers that could lead to a stall etc...

Which aircraft do most pilots prefer... Boeing obviously, they are in complete control if they need to not the flight computer.

Now obviously passengers jets and yokes can't be compared to centre sticks and side sticks in a fighter aircraft so case two, modern fighter jets...

Yes the current trend is sidesticks, but there is a very very simple reason for this. The design, modern military jets are designed to be EXTREMELY unstable and are kept in the sky by the computer not by the pilot, the modern pilots fly by the instruments in front of him and a centre stick is intrusive so that's one benefit of a sidestick.

So there you have it, nothing to do with how sensitivity or precision... the reason that modern jets use side stick is that in reality modern pilots do not have complete control over the aircraft the COMPUTER does.

Find me a military fighter aircraft that does not use fly-by-wire and has a side stick please.

@Winny, I hope you found that interesting

Thanks and apologies if the bullying special needs kids comment felt like it was aimed at you. It wasn't.

[raaaid]

well there are two things for seinsitivity, should never had used that word

the shorter the run the higher the sensitibity( and the faster you can countersteer a stall in a plane or a spin in a car which is run dependant not sensitivity)

the stronger the centering force damping the lower the sensitivity

so its posible to have a short run whith all its advanatages witha very strong force damping which will lower the sensitivity as much as needed for formation ultraprecise flying

in fact the f16 stick design is much better than anything i tried in my g25 wheel, and i say that as quite an experten on virtual racing

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by raaaid

well there are two things for seinsitivity, should never had used that word

the shorter the run the higher the sensitibity( and the faster you can countersteer a stall in a plane or a spin in a car which is run dependant not sensitivity)

the stronger the centering force damping the lower the sensitivity

so its posible to have a short run whith all its advanatages witha very strong force damping which will lower the sensitivity as much as needed for formation ultraprecise flying

in fact the f16 stick design is much better than anything i tried in my g25 wheel, and i say that as quite an experten on virtual racing

In other words you did not read or did not understand my post, fantastic what's point creating a discussion if you don't listen to others.

@winny, no problem

[raaaid]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

In other words you did not read or did not understand my post, fantastic what's point creating a discussion if you don't listen to others.

@winny, no problem

i understood it but youre not dismissing my point of the shorter run being better, youre just giving away your info on the subject but not taking into account my new info

this is the ot really theres no need to take it to the air world

my simple TRUE POINT:

i got several world records RACING in masive games by my using extremely short runs, had i used a normal run i would be two second slower

now people who race and maybe interested in my extreme setup should ask me about the force feedback setting i use

people who wish to troll will troll with mostly non related info

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by raaaid

i understood it but youre not dismissing my point of the shorter run being better, youre just giving away your info on the subject but not taking into account my new info

this is the ot really theres no need to take it to the air world

my simple TRUE POINT:

i got several world records RACING in masive games by my using extremely short runs, had i used a normal run i would be two second slower

now people who race and maybe interested in my extreme setup should ask me about the force feedback setting i use

people who wish to troll will troll with mostly non related info

Thanks for proving again that you either did not read or understand what I posted, TROLL!

[raaaid]

i dont need ignore list, i have a mental list of haters whose opinion i take reversed, normally these guys have swastikas in their sigs, oh the subcouncios stream of thought, being insulted by them is equivalent to being praised by a nice guy

hey that 109 nose art of your signature is your avatar

thats how you portrait yourself?

as a nationalist fighter beated but still surviving?

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by raaaid

i dont need ignore list, i have a mental list of haters whose opinion i take reversed, normally these guys have swastikas in their sigs, oh the subcouncios stream of thought, being insulted by them is equivalent to being praised by a nice guy

And I classic sign that the other person is correct Raaaid now changes his topic, nice touch calling me a nazi btw "OMG"...

@sig, I am british so you can't call me a nationalist when I fly blue aircraft LOL and I fly blue as I am a huge fan of the 109 and 190 purely from an engineering perspective... that is all.

[winny]

Originally Posted by raaaid

i dont need ignore list, i have a mental list of haters whose opinion i take reversed, normally these guys have swastikas in their sigs, oh the subcouncios stream of thought, being insulted by them is equivalent to being praised by a nice guy

hey that 109 nose art of your signature is your avatar

thats how you portrait yourself?

as a nationalist fighter beated but still surviving?

Come on Raaaid, pulling the Nazi card out is a little extreme. This is a WWII flight sim forum after all. Not everyone who flys 109's is a Nazi, no doubt there are probably the odd one or two but the massive majority are just aviation enthusiasts, 109's are nice birds (not as nice as Spittys ;P).

Also I think that you should take into account the fact that some of your posts are very hard to understand because of the dodgy translations.

And don't get stressed because somebody on the internet thinks you're wrong. Life's too short.

The same point I made about saftey in racing cars applies to aircraft too.
Too sensitive will get you dead very quickly. The F16's a bad example to use because it's all about pressure not movement. You'd be better off researching actual WW2 aircraft and the ammount of stick travel in each.
I think you'll find that they were made the way they were for lot's of different reasons, safety, precission, technical limitations of the time etc etc

It's not all about how quickly you can get the stick from one side to the other.