the air forces know the secret for uber piloting the sports world doesnt

[raaaid]

the previous f16

and the f18 is pretty short if you ask me



edit:

i wont go into complex stuff but just exposing the obvious:

do you know why soome one designed a 0.5 mm run stick for an extreme plane?

because countersteering a stall like that is faster

nope it was not fashion

[hegykc]

F-18, 2G per one inch of stick travel. That's 4.5 inches or 12cm for pitch up. And there is more stick travel, but you can't achieve it because of the forces being too strong to pull of, again, for safety reasons.
So, the F-18 has exactly the same stick travel as a WWII 109.

F-16 doesn't have any force feedback, and that's where it becomes apparent that you haven't actually spent more than 5min researching the subject.

Again, name another modern fighter with you "short stick"

[raaaid]

why should i name another, one plane designer thought as me

so you dont agree that sensitivity is related with run

edit:

a force is a resistance to move, exactly what the f16 stick has, if you dont like the name force feed back thats all right we may call it the force onwards

[hegykc]

Originally Posted by raaaid

why should i name another, one plane designer thought as me

You did say, modern fighters have short stick travel. Plural and by that meaning all of them have

Well, as it turns out, they don't. Sorry.

[Moony]

Originally Posted by raaaid

why should i name another, one plane designer thought as me

so you dont agree that sensitivity is related with run

edit:

a force is a resistance to move, exactly what the f16 stick has, if you dont like the name force feed back thats all right we may call it the force onwards

Raaaid is dougal...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25N-4zrk390

[raaaid]

modern fighters have a short stick run is a true statement since the f16 has a short stick run and its a modern fighter, i didnt say all

its like if i say women are pretty, it doesnt mean all

[raaaid]

Originally Posted by hegykc

Again, name another modern fighter with you "short stick"

this one that you as an expert (copy pasting) can tell the plane





if someone still doubts how an f 16 side stick works:

to move it 1 mm you apply 1 kg

to move it 2 mm you apply 2 kg

to move it 3 mm, maximum range you apply 3 kg

just as i set up my wheel now

had anybody heard before of those force controls joystick before? sounds pretty interesting and just what i had found out best

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by raaaid

this one that you as an expert (copy pasting) can tell the plane



if someone still doubts how an f 16 side stick works:

to move it 1 mm you apply 1 kg

to move it 2 mm you apply 2 kg

to move it 3 mm, maximum range you apply 3 kg

had anybody heard before of those force controls joystick before? sounds pretty interesting and just what i had found out best

As always, total and complete crap!

This is just like when you claimed that the gunship targeting systems tracked the gunners eye and not his helmet.

EVERYONE has heard of force sticks. They have been around for 20+ years!!!!! You could not be more ignorant if you tried. And I mean that LITERALLY. The fact that the F-16 was the first aircraft to use a force stick and that it's original zero travel was modified to a very small dead zone is so well known that the level of stupidity required to question it and/or fail to understand it is just staggering. And by staggering I mean that no human technology will ever be able to measure such a level.

All it takes to make a force stick is a wheatstone bridge and 2 strain gauges. Leo Bodnar even has wheatstone bridge circuits you can use to build your own force stick. I built one for IL-2 10 years ago but my home made circuitry had too much noise in it. Bodnar's is very nice. Coincidentally I sourced tiny strain gauges just a couple of weeks ago b/c I've been thinking of giving it another shot with Bodnar's circuits.

Strain gauges are a dime a dozen from www.omega.com and Bodnar's boards are known throughout the sim world.

The fact that you haven't come across one of those 2 sites just proves that you have no interest in learning anything nor of giving the rest of the world the benefit of your, "knowledge".

It simply proves that, AS YOU HAVE POSTED BEFORE, the reason you post on this forum is so that you can reread your asinine ranting later.



--Outlaw.

[raaaid]

Originally Posted by Outlaw

As always, total and complete crap!

This is just like when you claimed that the gunship targeting systems tracked the gunners eye and not his helmet.

EVERYONE has heard of force sticks. They have been around for 20+ years!!!!! You could not be more ignorant if you tried. And I mean that LITERALLY. The fact that the F-16 was the first aircraft to use a force stick and that it's original zero travel was modified to a very small dead zone is so well known that the level of stupidity required to question it and/or fail to understand it is just staggering. And by staggering I mean that no human technology will ever be able to measure such a level.

All it takes to make a force stick is a wheatstone bridge and 2 strain gauges. Leo Bodnar even has wheatstone bridge circuits you can use to build your own force stick. I built one for IL-2 10 years ago but my home made circuitry had too much noise in it. Bodnar's is very nice. Coincidentally I sourced tiny strain gauges just a couple of weeks ago b/c I've been thinking of giving it another shot with Bodnar's circuits.

Strain gauges are a dime a dozen from www.omega.com and Bodnar's boards are known throughout the sim world.

The fact that you haven't come across one of those 2 sites just proves that you have no interest in learning anything nor of giving the rest of the world the benefit of your, "knowledge".

It simply proves that, AS YOU HAVE POSTED BEFORE, the reason you post on this forum is so that you can reread your asinine ranting later.



--Outlaw.

gradual force resistance allows for extreme short runs, even one micrometer run,what the amateur will call zero run

and my whole point is that short run is better to pilot

if i didnt discover anything, i rediscovered, and i am probably the only person in the wrold racing with 0.5 cm run in his wheel with big succes