the climbing rate gauge should have HUGE variations caused by atmosphere

[5./JG27.Farber]

Just totally ignore me...

I guess you guys were not there.........................................


mazex - what about that radar / command fighter thing your too busy to work on? any news?

[IvanK]

Why Water couldn't be used a Bob Hoover classic:

[SQB]

Originally Posted by IvanK

Why Water couldn't be used a Bob Hoover classic:

(video here)

Dangit, you beat me to it! This video demonstrates that non-aerodynamic (simple relative mass * gravity systems) do not give correct readings of attitude and roll. Precession, while annoying for sure, is *extremely* minor when compared to this. Gyroscopes can be re-centred using balance magnets, negating the effects of precession anyway.

To answer Raaaids initial question, I ask you "how would you, using as simple a device as possible, figure out what components of any vertical incoming air is wind (which can be much faster than 20km/h (~5ms^-1) at higher altitudes) and what is the climbing rate." Remember that in normal flight (i.e. when you are actually looking at the climbing rate gague) you climb or descend at ~2-5 thousand feet per minute which is ~25.5ms^-1, not too different from your conservative estimation of wind.


Also, using a pressure based system, pressure changes by ~33hPa per thousand feet, whereas the most brutal low fronts will change pressure by 10-15hPa over the course of several hours. Small variations in pressure at ground level have surprisingly large effects, so it's easy to forget that by climbing in an a/c you travel through a huge range of pressures.

[raaaid]

well you make a mechanism that makes this calculation:

airspeed*cos pitch angle=climbing rate

if your going at 500kph and theres a vertical wind of 20 kph your making an error in just that your real speed will be the hipothenusa of the rect triangle: 20-500-x

so then your horizontal airspeed would be maybe 490 with which the error would be minimum

also planes have artificial horizonts to know your picth angle

edit:

doesnt actually a gyro artificial horizont also go crazy in hard manoubers?

[IvanK]

"doesnt actually a gyro artificial horizont also go crazy in hard manoubers?"

Depends on the gyro system. If its a full 360 degree in pitch and roll it works just fine no matter what you do. Few if any in WWII would have had this capability though.

[raaaid]

yeah then this guy was right:

the human balnce system works like the level glass of water, even nature is flawed spin for a while on yourself

perfect for a loop to do it cooridnated

and in case of thick fog perfect to go level

its the same than developing a trillion dollar biro to write in zero g

fork use a pencil

i hate the sciencepriests thinking the truth is democratic

edit:

also dont you wonder why they didnt paint the artificial horizont blue where it should be?

as it is its a totally pos for what you know you could be upside down and not be able to tell by the gauge

well the colour of the sky is a forbidden colour for macho men

maybe even more than pink you will never see a macho soldier dreess in this colour, so they didnt even paint the gauge like that

is a relaxing colour and calming like pink

[SQB]

Originally Posted by IvanK

"doesnt actually a gyro artificial horizont also go crazy in hard manoubers?"

Depends on the gyro system. If its a full 360 degree in pitch and roll it works just fine no matter what you do. Few if any in WWII would have had this capability though.

Disregarding precession that is, no system imparts force perfectly.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Just totally ignore me...

I guess you guys were not there.........................................


mazex - what about that radar / command fighter thing your too busy to work on? any news?

I did put it on the shelf waiting for that last patch that before the summer was thought to include an SDK etc... So it's been on the shelf a lot longer than I thought And quite frankly I'm starting to lose in getting a decent patch these last weeks...