Cliff's of Dover will be updated by installing the sequel over it. yay!

[Robert]

Originally Posted by lokitexas

Just curios as to why people think the "sequal" will be any good? As if it is a golden nugget of programming or somehting?

These guys cant get CLoD right, and the BoM is going ot be using the same engine, that has been a mess for over a year now.

Do people realize they failed at CLoD? If they have no been able to get this mess correct, how are they going to do it with BoM? If they can get BoM right, then why have they not done it with CLoD? See the loop here? Its called they need more money because they relased a turd, and now want to make people pay to fix what they already bought.

They have failed. Failed in programming, failed in any decent offline, failed in communication, failed in optimization, failed in customer santisfaction, and totally failed in trust. They did that to themselves, nobody else.

I'm not assured it will be good and will pay closer attention to the development updates, but I don't think those paying for the project would support a program they don't think will be any good. They must have some sort of confidence that this will work as planned. Heck, maybe even the new hires and fires were at the unction of the financial backers to assure a quality product.

I understand the logic of the turd analogy, but I am more inclined to think CoD/BoM is a gem covered by turd. Despite the many issues with CoD, Some are playing it quite nicely. My PC is way below spec so I can't complain or compare my experience with others, but the times I've played have been fun enough to give them the chance to pull the flecks of turd off the game and polish it up.

I'll look with a more askance view, and I won't gloss over perceived shenanigans, but I'll be fair.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Robert

I'm not assured it will be good and will pay closer attention to the development updates, but I don't think those paying for the project would support a program they don't think will be any good. They must have some sort of confidence that this will work as planned. Heck, maybe even the new hires and fires were at the unction of the financial backers to assure a quality product.

I understand the logic of the turd analogy, but I am more inclined to think CoD/BoM is a gem covered by turd. Despite the many issues with CoD, Some are playing it quite nicely. My PC is way below spec so I can't complain or compare my experience with others, but the times I've played have been fun enough to give them the chance to pull the flecks of turd off the game and polish it up.

I'll look with a more askance view, and I won't gloss over perceived shenanigans, but I'll be fair.

"gem covered by turd" is probably the best analogy I've heard yet, but I sure wouldn't want to be paying the cleaners/polishers by the hour. Like you said the guys paying the cleaners must have a pretty good idea whats underneath. I've only taken a few cursory looks at the FMB, it appears to have an awesome amount of options, and feel some optimizations there could make for some very interesting missions someday.

Not sure about this diamond-in-the-rough or gem-in-a-turd analogy.

The core qualities are fairly clear. The only hope lies in external qualities and work, add-ons, user involvement etc. Everything suggests the underlying code base is fairly inept...with a few supporters hoping they can make it more ept.

Talking of perceived shenanigans...the mods seem to be playing whack-a-mole lately with dissenting threads. The problem with that is, the voices just emerge in other threads...it doesn't go away. Might as well leave one or two buildings standing so people know what to expect. Put us in one place, so to speak.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Falstaff

Not sure about this diamond-in-the-rough or gem-in-a-turd analogy.

The core qualities are fairly clear. The only hope lies in external qualities and work, add-ons, user involvement etc. Everything suggests the underlying code base is fairly inept...with a few supporters hoping they can make it more ept.

Talking of perceived shenanigans...the mods seem to be playing whack-a-mole lately with dissenting threads. The problem with that is, the voices just emerge in other threads...it doesn't go away. Might as well leave one or two buildings standing so people know what to expect. Put us in one place, so to speak.

Where were you when there was a big debate about creating a whingers thread then?