i need some complex engine management tips (spitfire and hurricane)

[Osprey]

But the trouble is that this is a '*' new slot aircraft. Therefore it should've been done by somebody properly, a fan. I'm left wondering if it is the mod pack which make their own changes to the new slot type because they aren't happy with it. 40mph is a lot, it's not hard to find out speed tests.

Can somebody verify the performance in UP? or another pack? Wrong forum really, just frustrating.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Osprey

But the trouble is that this is a '*' new slot aircraft. Therefore it should've been done by somebody properly, a fan. I'm left wondering if it is the mod pack which make their own changes to the new slot type because they aren't happy with it. 40mph is a lot, it's not hard to find out speed tests.

Can somebody verify the performance in UP? or another pack? Wrong forum really, just frustrating.

Well a lot of mods start off with someone who 'loves' the plane enough to create the 3D model of it..

You can find a lot of 'artiest' that love planes and know how to use 3DMAX to create a new plane, or tweak and existing one

But it is not as easy to find someone like that who also knows about flight modeling.. Which means most mods end up using a flight model from another plane with maybe a few tweaks too it.

Which is NOT a ding on mod makers!

Even the folks who should know (1C, Oleg) can make mistakes

Take the Bf109K4 vs. Spitfire 25lb in IL-2

Ask your average IL-2 fan which plane is 'uber' and you will probably find that most say the Spit 25lb is the uber plane..

Yet the Spit 25lb ROC performance is less than it should be at most alts, and only over by 11% or so at other alts..

Where as the Bf109K4's ROC performance is better than it should be at all alts, up to 25% more than it should be at some alts..

Which is a good example of why 'relative performance' concept can be such a joke at times..

For example, Pick an altitude, and you can find that one plane's ROC is 20% better than it should be, while another plane's ROC is 10% less than it should be and you end up with a 'relative performance' difference of 30%! That is a lot for the pilot to make up in skill!

So, if 1C (Oleg) can not even get it right at times, I am not surprised that some 3DMAX artiest get it wrong sometimes!

[JtD]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

the Spit 25lb ROC performance is less than it should be at most alts, and only over by 11% or so at other alts..

Huh? How old is that info?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by JtD

Huh? How old is that info?

Are you saying it was fixxed?

Maybe, In that I have not played IL-2 in.. Hmmm.. I can not even remember the last time I played IL-2! Thus I have not done any IL-2 testing in some time either.. Most of my work is now on making the tools to test CoD

In eithercase, the point here is even the likes of 1C (Oleg) can make mistakes that result in the relative performance being way off.. In short, the goal should be to get the performacne within 5% of the real world performance, otherwise you can end up with these BIG relative performance errors.

[TomcatViP]

what abt the pilot behind the ctrls ? Do yu think tht a sleepy or lazzy gamer shld reach tht 5% ?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

That depends..

That is to say the 'performance' should be there for all players to make use of..

But that does not necessary mean all players will be able to obtain the peak performance..

For example, something as simple as having the mixture wrong, or climbing at the wrong climb speed, or just flying like cr@p can keep many pilots from obtaining the peak performance values. On the flip side, flying ilke cr@p can cause some pilots to exceed the peak performace values.. Not becuase they found a new way to squease out more performance, but because the perfored the test wrong. For example, some pilots report they are able to fly faster than the max rating.. That can happen if the pilots is not flying a level as he should or as level as he thinks.. That is to say, a shallow dive during a 'level' speed test can result in you flying faster than the rated performace value, but not because there is an error in the flight model, once again this is a sim pilot error in that we was in a shallow dive and didn't even realise it. In either case, this is not and should not be attributed to a flight modeling error as much as a sim pilot error