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Old 09-08-2012, 01:46 PM
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Re Chianti Raiders: Thanks for the suggestion, it's in my Amazon.ca shopping cart $23.07.

Like many here, I had a vague awareness that there was some Italian involvement in the Battle of Britain, but had read very little of it in the numerous BoB-related tomes we all seem to accumulate. I had just figured it was a token gesture of solidarity by Mussolini and was represented by a smattering of outdated aircraft piloted by some very brave men.

My interest is piqued, looking forward to learning more on this.
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:57 AM
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The prob with the story of Italian fighter during BoB is more related to the casual racism that was common at the time against Italians.

Their pilots were simply not taken seriously, so their success were neglected and their failure over amplified.

Some of the major RAF aces fall in front of Cr42 guns but were hard to admit this in the news. Many claimed that Germans were flying biplans not to admit that they were shot down by Italians.

It's a funny story with the time but man have to remind that racism was fairly commune at those time. Just keep in mind the tale of the red tails
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Old 09-09-2012, 10:42 AM
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Italians are a race?
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I suspect a language issue here.
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:17 AM
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Indeed.
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Old 09-09-2012, 02:26 PM
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Italians are a race?
"Racism" can be used to describe discrimination on cultural and/or ethnic grounds. So.. its use in this case is appropriate. It doesn't require that the subject is a distinct "race"....

As an aside: "race" probably does not exist as an entity aside from culture and ethnicity anwyays. The notion that "races" exist might in fact, be , a "racist" attitude...
The first few paragraphs of the wikipedia page on "racsim" make for some interesting reading.
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While were at it look up fascism and think about who was really getting a rough time with discrimination.
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