Community Preference Initiative

[mxmadman]

Originally Posted by Chivas

There will be plenty of servers with most of the options you prefer when the sim is optimized with the next patch. If the servers available don't suit your needs then start your own if possible. It appears that at the moment people with systems that can play the sim happen to like near full real settings. Like I said that will change and the pendulum will swing the other way when the sim is optimized. Just like the IL-2 1946, where most servers use relaxed settings.

There are already plenty of servers with the options I prefer. There are also people out there, and like I said it seems like more of them are getting into those servers as well.

I agree on the pendulum swing though. It actually seems necessary, since the pool of potential customers and their preferences is shown in the first post.

Its nice that this thread is still going and all, but so far no one seems interested in joining me to arrange an event or gathering. Well, except the guy who was banned for his comments up above, but he is passed the point of wanting to make it work and has lost interest.

[Sokol1]

1)Skies~Of~Valor
21/50 Users - Disabled Realism(meaning these things are allowed): Player Icons, External Views, Hud Icons, Map Icons, etc.


3c) Spit_vs_109_Mod
12/90 Users - Disabled Realism: None. This is the only populated "full realism" server, and it's tied for third most populated in Hyperlobby at this time

This numbers dont mean that people that regular play in "full realism" Spit_Vs_109 stop and go to arcade servers like Skiesofsomething.
These people just stop to play in Spit_Vs_109 and go to RoF, CloD... or stop with sims (due Clod "disaster" and go for another games (I know many that stop with IL-2 and now play daily... BF3!).

If CloD "arcade" servers dont make success, turn ATAG (the best server actually) in one these is solution?

Sokol1

[MusseMus]

This is my first post, so please be gentle with me

I very much enjoy the ATAG server and although I find it very hard to spot the enemies without the object icons I do like the challenge.

However I do wish there was a way to identify friendly aircrafts so you know who I’m flying next to. Turning on object icons for friendly planes would, in my opinion (or fantasy ), enable a higher degree of cooperation.

I believe we could gain a lot in cooperation and feeling you fight for a team with little or no loss in realism (after all, flying clueless of friendly activities is a bit unrealistic...).

With that said, I’m not sure whether it’s technically possible to implement object icons for only friendly planes.

Please do not misunderstand me –I’m not looking for an arcade server and I really love the high realism on ATAG, this is merely a suggestion.

Cheers
Mattias

[Bokononist]

Originally Posted by MusseMus

This is my first post, so please be gentle with me

I very much enjoy the ATAG server and although I find it very hard to spot the enemies without the object icons I do like the challenge.

However I do wish there was a way to identify friendly aircrafts so you know who I’m flying next to. Turning on object icons for friendly planes would, in my opinion (or fantasy ), enable a higher degree of cooperation.

I believe we could gain a lot in cooperation and feeling you fight for a team with little or no loss in realism (after all, flying clueless of friendly activities is a bit unrealistic...).

With that said, I’m not sure whether it’s technically possible to implement object icons for only friendly planes.

Please do not misunderstand me –I’m not looking for an arcade server and I really love the high realism on ATAG, this is merely a suggestion.

Cheers
Mattias

There are a few things you can do to help id planes from a distance. First and foremost, get on the ATAG Teamspeak channel. Friendlies will identify themselves, and will help you learn tactics as well. Also look out for flak, use the black flak as a rough guide, and the white flak is much more accurate. Opposite applies when you're over enemy territory of course, unharassed planes will be enemy in this case. Flying with a wingman also greatly improves your chances.

[MusseMus]

Originally Posted by Bokononist

There are a few things you can do to help id planes from a distance. First and foremost, get on the ATAG Teamspeak channel. Friendlies will identify themselves, and will help you learn tactics as well. Also look out for flak, use the black flak as a rough guide, and the white flak is much more accurate. Opposite applies when you're over enemy territory of course, unharassed planes will be enemy in this case. Flying with a wingman also greatly improves your chances.

Thank you for your helpfulness Bokononist.
I do watch for signs of flak when over land, but the benefit with some kind of object icon/label for friendlies is not only to identify friend from foe -I would love to know the name/callsign of the teammate next no me. Maybe being able to warn him if he's in danger etc.

I also use teamspeak and I’ve had great fun the times I found someone to fly with, but it seems very few are using it (at least when I’m online) so I still feel a bit lonely up there.

[Bokononist]

Originally Posted by MusseMus

Thank you for your helpfulness Bokononist.
I do watch for signs of flak when over land, but the benefit with some kind of object icon/label for friendlies is not only to identify friend from foe -I would love to know the name/callsign of the teammate next no me. Maybe being able to warn him if he's in danger etc.

I also use teamspeak and I’ve had great fun the times I found someone to fly with, but it seems very few are using it (at least when I’m online) so I still feel a bit lonely up there.

I really don't understand why more people don't use the ATAG Ts3 server, and yes, it is annoying when there are Friendlies that you can't communicate with. I just try my best to team up with those that are on at the time.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by MusseMus

Thank you for your helpfulness Bokononist.
I do watch for signs of flak when over land, but the benefit with some kind of object icon/label for friendlies is not only to identify friend from foe -I would love to know the name/callsign of the teammate next no me. Maybe being able to warn him if he's in danger etc.

I also use teamspeak and I’ve had great fun the times I found someone to fly with, but it seems very few are using it (at least when I’m online) so I still feel a bit lonely up there.

I think also people get a bit fed up with lots of chat over their game...everyone seems to stay in the same rooms even when they are just winging in pairs etc...ATAG gives us plenty of rooms to choose so you can use chat more effectivley without being drowned out by everyone

~S~

[swift]

Learning to fly without labels is tough but doable. Also with training one can id planes from pretty far off (particularly by colour) at least in terms of friend or foe.

Labels would destroy immersion greatly for me.

I also think it is quite realistic that it is not easy to identify a plane from far. Just treat any unidentified dot as a potential enemy until you identified it as friendly.

[MusseMus]

I will give it another go tonight and hopefully I find someone on Teamspeak willing to pair up with me

Originally Posted by swift

Learning to fly without labels is tough but doable. Also with training one can id planes from pretty far off (particularly by colour) at least in terms of friend or foe.

Labels would destroy immersion greatly for me.

I also think it is quite realistic that it is not easy to identify a plane from far. Just treat any unidentified dot as a potential enemy until you identified it as friendly.

I agree it would be unrealistic if the object icon/label appeared from too far away. If a label with name/callsign was to be added (which I really doubt ), it should be at a distance where you are already able to identify friend from foe/type of plane (not sure exactly how far away that is).

Again, I'm not sure this is even possible to implement.

[adonys]

There is a way to remove the empty feeling of a MP server with a big map:

integrated (coop) missions on the same server:
- server blue message saying with 10 mins in advance on which airfield the mission will start (bombers, escorts)
(- blue players landing their current planes to get one of the mission's spawned planes)
- blue players filling in bombers/escorts plane ranks, the remaining being AI
- scramble towards objective
(- red server side announcing the eventual detection of incoming blue raid and its ETA)
- red server side announcing with 10 mins in advance the airfields from which coordinated fighter flights will take-off to meet the blue raid
(- red players landing their current planes to enlist in counter-raid flights)
- red players filling in fighter planes ranks, the remaining being AI
- scramble

coordinated HQ code:
- HQ code informing their sides about detected/observed enemy side flights, their position and estimated direction/target
- HQ forming AI flights on nearby airfields to take of and intercept, and announcing them to the players in advance, so that the player might join them
- HQ informing players about friendly bomber flights requests for escort
and so on..

player are not so good at organizing themselves, so someone (ie server code) must do it for them