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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 08-25-2012, 02:11 AM
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Now if that represents a UFO, the aliens would never have left their planet.
And if this represents the performance of the infamous "nimble little fighter" that was a joy to fly, and changed the outcome of the BoB, fighting wave after wave of enemy aircraft with only "the few",
funny comment but wrong.

The 109 is the nimble one here: lighter, smaller and as much powerful.
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Old 08-25-2012, 04:31 AM
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The 109 is the nimble one here: lighter, smaller and as much powerful.
the 109 smaller and lighter, yeps

"more powerfull" ?, err no ! you'r making it sound like Godzilla on a rampage in Lilliput land, so no ! you'd have to be specific and quoting some of its comparative strength of the 109 (and it had several), but it also had a number of weaknesses and disadvantages (which you are ignoring with your simplified generalization)

most long term il2 flyers, be they blue or red, have matured enough in the last 10 years of the previous generation il2 sim that right now we know that we want (and can get if luthier only pays enough attention to it), is aircraft that each have their own historical strength and weaknesses simulated, so we can fly them competitively against a fairly evenly matched (pilot-skill) adversary while being able to execute maneuvers and flying styles that exploit the strengths that each of these aircraft had historically, and let pilot skill be the determinator of the outcome of the engagement

did you know approximately 1/2 of all 109's were lost in takeoff and landing accidents and pilot errors (eg not involving combat), yet in CoD a 6 yo can land and takeoff (with complex engine management) without problems, is there maybe a hint there that the 109's behavior maybe just isnt "simulated" quiet correctly to represent some of its weaknesses ?

another example is the historical very poor rear visibility in the 109 compared to the spitfire, this weakness is again not modeled in CoD where rear visibility is very similar to the allied fighters. 109's were also notoriously slow and more difficult to bail out of, and were known death traps with their poor canopy opening system during crash landings, again another weakness not modeled,

request to black6: please have your testers compare the incorrectly modeled ease with which the 109 currently behaves on the ground in CoD (ground handling) and the much to easy takeoff and landing behavior, it currently does NOT reflect a very major weakness the 109 had historically and the very high losses that were caused in takeoff and landing accidents. extensive information on this has been repeatedly provided in the past. in comparison the spitfire might have had 5% of its losses during ww2 in takeoff/landing accidents, and this MAJOR difference in aircraft ease-of-handling or difficulty is NOT modeled in CoD. in fact its the exact opposite, the 109 currently behaves like a fully automated aircraft that can be landed/takeoff with total impunity and without regard of its historical behavior.
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