IL2: Forgotten

[Golf Pro]

tbh, everyone understands the "logic" behind the delay for 4.09. It's just that many of us question the logic.

I suspect that it would have been much more efficient to just get 4.09 completed and out of the way (and thus finish with the IL-2 series once and for all) so that all guns could really be focused on SoW. At the moment it's a running sore, as there's a) no completion of Il-2, and b) no initiation of SoW.

So we're sort of hanging in the air for both series. Not a whine, just an observation.

[BadAim]

Maybe Oleg has a present for us that he can't talk about right now. Hmmmmmm?

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by Golf Pro

tbh, everyone understands the "logic" behind the delay for 4.09. It's just that many of us question the logic.

I suspect that it would have been much more efficient to just get 4.09 completed and out of the way (and thus finish with the IL-2 series once and for all) so that all guns could really be focused on SoW. At the moment it's a running sore, as there's a) no completion of Il-2, and b) no initiation of SoW.

So we're sort of hanging in the air for both series. Not a whine, just an observation.

All guns ARE really focused on SoW

Just a few people don't want to hear these news. Remember, this is not up to Oleg. This is 3rd Party-stuff that has to be done by other people and provided to him. So you say it's more logical to work on SoW, then stop, build another beta 4.09 test it, scrap it, start working on SoW again until the next update until the patch is finished?

The thing that makes my eyebrows rise is the certainty and the complete knowledge of some people who claim to have more insight into this thing than Oleg himself and how easy it is for some people to program a simulation or even maps in a matter of days, without even making money from it.

And let's not forget, Oleg did as you just suggested since AEP and now the same people demanding the patch are the same people flaming him for the late release of BoB? That makes pretty much zero sense IMHO, except you just want it all and right now.

[Golf Pro]

Well, obviously you wouldn't have to completely stop SoW to finish 4.09. It's an allocation-of-resources issue. It's not a false economy either as a finished 4.09 gives the community something to play with and buys a bit more time for SoW. If you say there's no money to be made from it, well, the whole Il-2 series was commercially under-exploited as regards add-ons, so it's a bit late to be complaining on that score.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Golf Pro

Well, obviously you wouldn't have to completely stop SoW to finish 4.09.

That has been one of the major problems in the slow release of SOW. Not enough resourses to do both sims.

I would have much prefered there had been no updates since they first announced SOW. That includes Pacific Fighters and every paid and free addon since then.

We may have been flying BOB in 2005/6, the Med in 2007/8 and waiting with baited breath for SOW Pacific fighters or the SOW Eastern Front by the end of this year. All be it BOB SOW will be a far better in 2009 than a 2005/6 version would have been. That said BOB and Med would have been updated as new features became available.

You can play the IL-2 update game, but it has to end at some point. A third party mod gets caught in the middle....can't be helped.

[Chivas]

Also IL-2 would have been forgotten for the most part with modders given tools to mod the SOW series. Any unwanted on-line hacks would be looked at and dealt with if possible. We'd all be one happy community. lol

[proton45]

Originally Posted by Golf Pro

tbh, everyone understands the "logic" behind the delay for 4.09. It's just that many of us question the logic.

I suspect that it would have been much more efficient to just get 4.09 completed and out of the way (and thus finish with the IL-2 series once and for all) so that all guns could really be focused on SoW. At the moment it's a running sore, as there's a) no completion of Il-2, and b) no initiation of SoW.

So we're sort of hanging in the air for both series. Not a whine, just an observation.

I guess I have never been much of a "armchair game developer" (armchair quarterback).

I don't put much stock in "what-if" scenarios, and I don't really see the point in second guessing other peoples choices...and I guess I don't really see the point in getting worked up over conspiracy theory's.

I guess that their is some part of me that feels that some people just like to complain...

P.S. Maybe I have missed something...but when was "BoB SoW" suppose to have come out?
I hear people saying that Oleg missed the promised dead line for "BoB's" release, and I want to know when that was suppose to have been (and when did he promise it)???

[JG52Uther]

2006..2007 latest (Oleg when asked if it would be released by end 2007 at the latest said it 'had to be' or words to that effect IIRC.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

At this point I have doubts 409 final will ever be released.I would be happy enough if 1C just released the dedicated server patch so everyone online can move to 409.

While I have no doubts at all about 4.09 or 5.0 or whatever it will be being released ...what Uther said... Just updating the server patch to 4.09b1 would actually go a long way. It has been what.... 6 going on 7 months now... at least with a DS patch the DF servers could be updated with the new maps etc...

Originally Posted by Chivas

The only thing Forgotten here is that Oleg stated he could not allocate resourses to the free 4.09 update, until those resourses were no longer required to complete SOW. Hes put his money were his mouth is...we need to improve our memories.

True.. but still.... I wonder how much work it would be to release a 4.09b1 DS patch.. jjst so that everything can be on the same page... then if it took another 6 months for BoB to get here.. it wouldn't be as big a deal.... The only reason we even need switchers aside from the mod switchers is so that folks can go from DFs to COOPS.... or fiond COOPS running 4.08.

Either way... I am enjoying all that I have at my disposal now.... still.

[Krt_Bong]

You know I was one of those unfortunates who bought Enemy Engaged 2, a Game which was basically a re release but updated, it sucked and there was no place to go complain about it, lots of bugs but when a patch did come out, it hardly addressed any of them, so I can't play it at all and a support forum at their site is nearly invisible, but Oleg has bent over backward it seems to give us all kind of things and, we have all this forum to complain about it in infinite detail, in my eyes it was a mistake to release a beta of anything. Il-2 was supposed to be finished, But this is why the modding community is doing so well, people have a 1/2 patch that they want to use but can't. And gamers are an impatient voracious bunch who once they think there's something new in the works they're willing to ditch whatever was yesterday for tomorrow. I know next to nothing about programming and I'm sure some think it's just this little thing that would only take a minute, and whisk it off to us to download, but I think it might be wise to be patient and just shut up or we might not get nuttin!