Goodbye combustion engine

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

I think it's brilliant if they pull it off. If it becomes widespread it will also be cheap, plus it will probably result in gasoline prices going down due to competition, instead of constantly rising due to increasing demand and decreasing reserves.

I don't get why car/motorbike enthusiasts are so against this and i'll explain why. The vast majority of drivers are not enthusiasts, they are using a vehicle in a practical fashion. They don't care about the nice throaty sound, they care about cheap operating and maintenance costs.

The thing is, if all these guys get those cheap to run cars on renewable energy, both them and the enthusiasts benefit.

-Less pollution, so less restrictions on the remaining minority of internal combustion powered vehicles.

-Lower fuel prices and better ICE technology in terms of performance vs consumption, due to competition.

-Combine the previous two and you get potentially bigger engines on your ICE vehicle.

etc etc

The way i see it, if this thing goes forward (and i really hope it does), people will be able to run an H2 powered family car for their day to day business at very low operating cost and then use some of the leftover cash to get something fun for the weekends.

At least that's what i would do if i was a family man and the technology was available, plus i wouldn't have to pay 1.7 Euros per liter of gas every time i wanted to go on a ride with my motorbike.

At the current prices i need 18 euros per 200km (and that's a 650cc motorbike we're talking about, imagine a car), so yeah, bring on the H2 fuel cell technology and get them scared a bit, then we can all enjoy a mix of cheap transportation and vehicles with character. Why sabotage this and shoot ourselves in the foot?

For me it's a question of practicality, economy, environment (yes, it's a practical issue as well if it pertains to my health) and worldwide supply/demand issues, not if the hippies like it or not. Why cut off my nose to spite my face?

They won't allow hydrogen fuel until "they" control all the water though... and what they really need to be doing, with regard to electric vehicles, is apply Tesla technology efectively

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by He111

so ... should I sell my oil shares yet?.

Yes..

To me!

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Don't. There is more done with oil then just petrol. Everything that is made out of plastic, as a starting point. And given the rising costs of Oil exploitation, it won't become cheaper anytime soon. Even if the first western nations manage to switch over to alternatives, the BRICS and other developing countries will need a decade or two longer to provide similiar infrastructure. Petrol won't go away that fast.

The huge demand in SE Asia is for Diesel for trains, tractors, trucks and heavy equipment not Petrol. Commercial shipping is not going nuclear anytime in the near future and the consumption of Jet 1 and Avgas goes up every year. Oil is used for a lot more than powering the family car.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Being the green-eco-freek that I was turned into by my wife, I put a lot of effort into recycling, including used engine oil. I had always assumed that it was put back through the refinery to get useful products.

Then I read that all the oil from my location in the world gets sent up to SE Asia and burnt to produce power. Guess its recycling of a kind!

[raaaid]

i dont swallow the fish breathing liquated oxigen in water

they never run out of oxigen however still the fishing tank

does anybody know where im going?

f, why people takes for granted what books and tv say

i even can proof mathematically the kind of spiral you need to get an antigravity schauberger free energy turbine

[Katana1000S]

Briefly side stepping for a moment, Raaaid what do you think of the possibility of perpetual motion machines ... impossible right, but I've heard of people who claim to have invented them.

Back to the energy thing, does anyone remember the Sinclair C5, when I lived in Aberdeen a guy down the road had one, looks like part of the reason they were phased out was because of safety (but not enough development either) but we see electric disabled carts going about town these days ... I bet like the Rayleigh Chopper bicycle they are collectors items now!

Trivia fact ... a heavily modified Sinclair C5 hit 150 MPH.

Its odd to think that any future Valentino Rossi Motorcycle racer might be riding an electric bike ... as a petrol head I hope its not in my lifetime though ... just doesn't seem right, LOL.

[WTE_Galway]

Speaking of Electric Vehicles ... some nail biting stuff ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMW_wLrDSRE

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by Outlaw

Two words...energy density.

End of story.

Your mobility (at least long range) will depend on an ICE for a long time.

--Outlaw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=PewMgx753G0

[SiThSpAwN]

I am with AofA, if they dont find something to fill the hole that gas would leave, meaning all the jobs in the transport, production and sale of gas you wont see it happen... the the big corporate giants need to be appeased first.

Kinda like cancer... an average treatment costs around 20 grand... hundreds of thousands are employed for the current "treatment" options... could you imagine what would happen if they cured it... it would cost alot of people alot of money... they arent in that big of a hurry... although they are working hard on breast cancer, Hollywood needs to look good

Too jaded?