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Old 07-19-2012, 05:13 PM
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I've read that quote, but Mike Williams seems to have sort of picked it out without including a lot of context from the original source, so it's hard to know exactly what they were referring to.
For your reference, the quote, in context.



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Old 07-19-2012, 07:26 PM
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For your reference, the quote, in context.

Thanks for the context winny! Here is some more "context":





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Old 07-19-2012, 07:40 PM
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Longitudinally the aeroplane is too stable for a fighter
Bingo!

Just as I was saying.. Fighters, than and now, intentionally design an alittle instability to make them more maneuverable!

So I can understand how some modern civ pilots..

Who are already blinded by their agenda

Could fool themselves into thinking a fighter that does not have the same stability attributes of their putt-putt cessna is a failure.
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Old 07-19-2012, 07:51 PM
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For anyone who would like to read the full RAE evaluation of the 109 it's here in PDF.

It's 14 Mb and should open in your browser, you can then save it if you wish.

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Old 07-19-2012, 07:58 PM
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For anyone who would like to read the full RAE evaluation of the 109 it's here in PDF.

It's 14 Mb and should open in your browser, you can then save it if you wish.
I hope an RAE evaluation is admissable, don't forget the British had no concept of stability and control
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Old 07-19-2012, 08:12 PM
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Stability and Control characteristics of the Early Mark Spitfires

That is the name of the thread.

Seems once again you didn't read it. Why you guys don't open a new one ?
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Old 07-19-2012, 09:46 PM
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I hope an RAE evaluation is admissable, don't forget the British had no concept of stability and control
Since they state that a captured 109 is inferior to the Hurricane as fighter, then I wonder what are the mandatory characteristics of an airplane they want to call it "fighter".

No problem... British still drive on the left side of the road.. it's a matter of preference.
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:08 PM
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Since they state that a captured 109 is inferior to the Hurricane as fighter, then I wonder what are the mandatory characteristics of an airplane they want to call it "fighter".

No problem... British still drive on the left side of the road.. it's a matter of preference.
But they didn't really say that did they, they just say the 109 is less manouverable.....a reasonable handicap as a dogfighter.

we drive on the left for a historic reason not really preference or because we have 2 heads and 6 fingers on each hand
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:08 PM
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You guys should put the 109 stuff in a separate thread.
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:02 AM
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Just as I was saying.. Fighters, than and now, intentionally design an alittle instability to make them more maneuverable!
I just want to point something out here: Adding instability does not necessarily make the aircraft more maneuverable.

Perfect example is the B-2 Spirit. Extremely unstable, but not particularly maneuverable.
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