Another pointless poll...

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Buchon

No, I´m saying that buying DLC the consumers are shooting themselves, concretely in a foot.

Ah ok, well as long as your realise that is your opinion and not fact than we can agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by Buchon

The DLC business model implies a change in the seller/consumer relation ship that is finally reflected in the product, in positive ways and negative ways too.

Not sure if this was presented by you as some sort of proof in support of your first statment? If so I don't see it as proof as much as life in general!

Originally Posted by Buchon

We as consumers should consider the whole picture, the bad and the good, only by that can make a smart decision.

That is the beauty of it! In that 777 provides you a choice! Some will review it and consider it a smart decision and some will not. But at least we have a choice! Which is more than what some games provide.

Originally Posted by Buchon

Beware, in a free market there bad deals too

Oh yes, no system is perfect, just many find the free market to be the best system

[Buchon]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Ah ok, well as long as your realise that is your opinion and not fact than we can agree to disagree.

Of course, that its only my opinion and nothing more.

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Not sure if this was presented by you as some sort of proof in support of your first statment? If so I don't see it as proof as much as life in general!

That is my point of view based on the experience from see the evolution of this business model through the years in gaming in general, and in the products delivers by it.

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

That is the beauty of it! In that 777 provides you a choice! Some will review it and consider it a smart decision and some will not. But at least we have a choice! Which is more than what some games provide.

Does 777 provides the choice of buy a standalone WWI game ?

It does not.

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Oh yes, no system is perfect, just many find the free market to be the best system

Yeah, put me with them

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Buchon

Of course, that its only my opinion and nothing more.

S!

Originally Posted by Buchon

That is my point of view based on the experience from see the evolution of this business model through the years in gaming in general, and in the products delivers by it.

Roger that.. Which differs from mine and others

Originally Posted by Buchon

Does 777 provides the choice of buy a standalone WWI game ?

It does not.

Not sure what you mean by stand alone? Are you refering to the need to log in to use the game? Just like we have to log into STEAM before playing CoD? If so, alot of games do this these days.. Or do you mean stand alone as in it has offline capabilites? In that RoF does have an offline campain to play

Originally Posted by Buchon

Yeah, put me with them

So your on my side?

[Buchon]

Here goes my English knowledge again

Fixed :

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

That is the beauty of it! In that 777 provides you a choice! Some will review it and consider it a smart decision and some will not. But at least we have a choice! Which is more than what some games provide.

Does 777 provides the choice of buy a full boxed WWI game ?

It does not.



Maybe your point of view, as someones here, is based on the flight simulator genre, where Microsoft Flight Simulator add-ons was a good DLC offer for example, so the DLC policy have not a negative approach.

But my point of view is more general, the DLC policy as unique method of revenue have negative consequences in the quality and value of the product and finally stuck his development.

I don´t consider RoF as a success, success was IL2 1946 for example, for me RoF its a stuck game, there no more future there other than buy the next plane.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Buchon

Does 777 provides the choice of buy a full boxed WWI game ?

It does not.

But it does

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Flight-Th.../dp/B002CQAPWS

Originally Posted by Buchon

Maybe your point of view, as someones here, is based on the flight simulator genre, where Microsoft Flight Simulator add-ons was a good DLC offer for example, so the DLC policy have not a negative approach.

But my point of view is more general, the DLC policy as unique method of revenue have negative consequences in the quality and value of the product and finally stuck his development.

That is not a good comparsion IMHO, becuase 777 DLC is different from the way MSFS did it.. Where all of the 777 DLC is produced by 777, and MSFS had both MS and 3rd party DLC. Where alot if not most of the 3rd part DLC was not worth the 'free' price they charged for it (what you called negative consequences in the quality)

Originally Posted by Buchon

I don´t consider RoF as a success, success was IL2 1946 for example, for me RoF its a stuck game, there no more future there other than buy the next plane.

Based on your statment is it safe to assume that you are not aware of the fact that 777 is in the process of adding a new 'channel' map that will include the sea planes.. Which is in a nut shell what IL-2 did via it's sequals.. New maps and new planes.. So, if your consider RoF stuck, than you would also have to say IL-2 was/is stuck

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Based on your statment is it safe to assume that you are not aware of the fact that 777 is in the process of adding a new 'channel' map that will include the sea planes.. Which is in a nut shell what IL-2 did via it's sequals.. New maps and new planes.. So, if your consider RoF stuck, than you would also have to say IL-2 was/is stuck

Of course you forgot to mention that they asked you to buy it while saying that it might not go ahead and if it didnt you would not get your money back nice of you to forget that...!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Of course you forgot to mention that they asked you to buy it while saying that it might not go ahead and if it didnt you would not get your money back nice of you to forget that...!

That is the typical legal mumbo jumbo you will find with alot of preorder dev stuff.. In that they say that about most if not all the planes and other stuff you pre-order.. So no need to get your panties in a twist thinking they are trying to pull one over on you.. Beucase the FACT remains that NO ONE is holding a gun to your head when you ordered it.. As allways, if you don't read the fine print it is your fault not thiers.

On the upside, glad to see you took me off ignore, assuming you ever had me on ignore!

[Buchon]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

But it does

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Flight-Th.../dp/B002CQAPWS

Wut ? ... so someone is selling his copy for 250$, amazing ...

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

That is not a good comparsion IMHO, becuase 777 DLC is different from the way MSFS did it.. Where all of the 777 DLC is produced by 777, and MSFS had both MS and 3rd party DLC. Where alot if not most of the 3rd part DLC was not worth the 'free' price they charged for it (what you called negative consequences in the quality)

That´s just what is wrong with 777, they are the only and the one DLC maker, it´ll be better if they let do this to others and put their effort in bring that RoF engine to 2012.

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Based on your statment is it safe to assume that you are not aware of the fact that 777 is in the process of adding a new 'channel' map that will include the sea planes.. Which is in a nut shell what IL-2 did via it's sequals.. New maps and new planes.. So, if your consider RoF stuck, than you would also have to say IL-2 was/is stuck

I'm aware of the channel map and the consequent´s more planes

But as I said a better use of effort would be concentrate in the engine development and his features as IL-2 does, and sell the high steps forward along with new theaters to have revenue, as BoM, that´s a road map with future due the constant development of new features and new api as DX11.

A new map for a old engine is not a development to forward but add content to what you already have.

If your business consist in nothing more than sell DLCs then the development gets stuck, guess is where they are now, and there no future other that make a channel map to continue making more planes for a stuck DX9 engine.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Buchon

Wut ? ... so someone is selling his copy for 250$, amazing ...

Not that amazing, in that is probably the version that comes with all the add ones included.. I forget the name of it?

But if you look closer you will see that 777 provides the choice of buy a full boxed WWI game, i.e.

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Flight-Fi..._ob_vg_title_1

You know.. that thing you said they DID NOT PROVIDE

And also 777 provides the choice of buy a download WWI game, i.e.

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Flight-Cr..._ob_vg_title_0

Which all goes back to that 777 providing 'choices' things I was telling you about

Originally Posted by Buchon

That´s just what is wrong with 777,

That is your opinion, and is the reason why 777 can not and does not force anyone to buy it

Originally Posted by Buchon

they are the only and the one DLC maker, it´ll be better if they let do this to others and put their effort in bring that RoF engine to 2012.

First you said you didn't like DLC like MSFS because of the negative consequences in the quality which most of which was 3rd party DLC.. Now your saying you want RoF to allow 3rd party DLC which if anything like MSFS 3rd party DLC it will result in a negative consequences in the quality.. So which is it?

Originally Posted by Buchon

I'm aware of the channel map and the consequent´s more planes

Ah so you knew about it? So why did you say RoF is not a success and/or stuck when RoF is doing the same thing the original IL-2 did.. i.e. Producing new maps and new planes and than charging the user for new maps and new planes. In that the only difference in the two is RoF allows you to pick and choose each item, where as IL-2 took all the items and bundled them up which in turn did NOT allow you to pick and choose.

Originally Posted by Buchon

But as I said a better use of effort would be concentrate in the engine development and his features as IL-2 does, and sell the high steps forward along with new theaters to have revenue, as BoM, that´s a road map with future due the constant development of new features and new api as DX11.

A new map for a old engine is not a development to forward but add content to what you already have.

If your business consist in nothing more than sell DLCs then the development gets stuck, guess is where they are now, and there no future other that make a channel map to continue making more planes for a stuck DX9 engine.

Well maybe you should contact 777 and let them know you have a better way of doing things.. Maybe they would be willig to pay your for your software and marketing experiences? In that it sounds like you have run a few game companies in the past.. Are you at liberty to tell us which game company it was you were the CEO of?

[Buchon]

Misunderstanding so much, its not ?

I think that I have explained good enough.

See you ～