Huricane Mk I 100 Octane perormance tests 1.07.18301

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by Seadog

The extent of use and service is pointed to by the expenditure of thousands of tons of 100 octane fuel, numerous RAF documents stating its use during the BofB, numerous combat reports, and pilot accounts of 12lb boost and a complete lack of evidence of the same for 87 octane...but this is an argument long past now.

Tht's only your interpretation. It wld be more honest to point it in the right manner.

As for an example and as already said, an article of "Flight" reviewing just after the war's end and written at the occasion of the Merlin anniversary list all Merlin version with the type of fuel used. It does not state any Fighter powered with Merlin using 100oct before 41/42.

More can be said of course. But if all this has been alrdy written it does not mean that it could be swapped out like you did summing it up.

And frankly thinking seriously about it I wonder how you can imagine that a fighter aircraft designed to be operated above the cold seas of the Channel and the North sea would have seen is fuel swapped with as much technical care as a Ford Hotrod boosted for the quarter mile.

[Seadog]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Tht's only your interpretation. It wld be more honest to point it in the right manner.

As for an example and as already said, an article of "Flight" reviewing just after the war's end and written at the occasion of the Merlin anniversary list all Merlin version with the type of fuel used. It does not state any Fighter powered with Merlin using 100oct before 41/42.

More can be said of course. But if all this has been alrdy written it does not mean that it could be swapped out like you did summing it up.

And frankly thinking seriously about it I wonder how you can imagine that a fighter aircraft designed to be operated above the cold seas of the Channel and the North sea would have seen is fuel swapped with as much technical care as a Ford Hotrod boosted for the quarter mile.

The arguement about 100 octane fuel use is over. However, the fact is that the Merlin II/III was engineered for 100 octane use right from the start, so that when 100 octane was approved for RAF FC, it was a simple matter to convert the engines over to 100 octane. The documentation on how this was done, on a per aircraft basis, has been presented here numerous times, but here it is again:


and no, it is not just my interpretation regarding universal 100 octane fuel use by RAF FC; the available evidence, from numerous sources, points to universal 100 octane use by RAF FC during the battle.

I have repeatedly challenged the 100 octane fuel deniers to produce evidence for even a single RAF FC Hurricane or Spitfire 87 octane sortie during the BofB, and so far there's no takers.

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by Seadog

The arguement about 100 octane fuel use is over. However, the fact is that the Merlin II/III was engineered for 100 octane use right from the start, so that when 100 octane was approved for RAF FC, it was a simple matter to convert the engines over to 100 octane. The documentation on how this was done, on a per aircraft basis, has been presented here numerous times, but here it is again:


and no, it is not just my interpretation regarding universal 100 octane fuel use by RAF FC; the available evidence, from numerous sources, points to universal 100 octane use by RAF FC during the battle.

I have repeatedly challenged the 100 octane fuel deniers to produce evidence for even a single RAF FC Hurricane or Spitfire 87 octane sortie during the BofB, and so far there's no takers.

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[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

I did date Jenny Lopez... I did date Jenny Lopez... I did date Jenny Lopez... I did date Jenny Lopez...

wow, what a riposte.

you have totally changed my mind with that stunning evidence.

carry on in your dream world.

[Seadog]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

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I'm sure that you believe that.

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by Seadog

I'm sure that you believe that.

Just as you do.

[Crumpp]

you have totally changed my mind with that stunning evidence.

What he is saying it is no different than you taking evidence and reading only what you want to see.

The BoB was a transition period and the extent of use depends on the date you pick for the battle to end.

I don't understand the obsession anyway. It was summertime during the battle and the envelope for high manifold pressure/high rpm is greatly reduced. In fact, it will result in poorer performance than a lower manifold pressure/rpm under such conditions.

I believe the evidence was presented that 100 Octane made less of a difference in the battle than CSP's.

Look at the paper performance on a standard day, it is quite an improvement. Why do you think that was not so stunning an improvement in the air?

High density altitude conditions of summer is why!!

[Glider]

So are you now trying to blame the performance increase on the English weather?

[NZtyphoon]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

What he is saying it is no different than you taking evidence and reading only what you want to see.

Which is what Crumpp does all the time.

Originally Posted by Crumpp

The BoB was a transition period and the extent of use depends on the date you pick for the battle to end.

Yep, the B of B was a transition from all frontline fighter units of FC using 100 Octane fuel to all Commands using 100 octane, and when the Battle ended, 31 October or May 1941, is immaterial.

[Seadog]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Just as you do.

I certainly do believe that you believe that.

Pray tell us; where does the 100 octane deniers club meet?