Updated RAF FMs in 1.07.18301

[41Sqn_Banks]

I want to add a little bit of interpretation from my side. I don't think the time limits are directly connected to the engine overheat. The reason for the time limits is to ensure a reasonable engine life. Of course the time limits are indirectly connected with engine overheat as the temperatures will be higher with higher settings.

You may run the engine on "5 minute all out" setting for 1 hours without overheating, however this would reduce the time between overhauls considerably (maybe to 20 hours compared to 100 hours).
On the other hand you may run the engine on "30 minute climb" setting for 10 minutes and damage the engine due to overheating, because radiator was shut and speed was to slow.

So a "5 minute" limit doesn't mean it will only overheat after 5 minutes, it may overheat earlier and actions must be taken to prevent this. It also may overheat later or not at all and there won't be any trouble during this flight if the engine is new. There might be trouble in the next flight or you are grounded because of required engine overhaul

[Flanker35M]

S!

But with current system you can abuse the engine at will as the wear/tear/damage does not carry over to next flight. Always a factory fresh plane in use.

[41Sqn_Banks]

Originally Posted by Flanker35M

S!

But with current system you can abuse the engine at will as the wear/tear/damage does not carry over to next flight. Always a factory fresh plane in use.

Indeed. Maybe the sequel/mmo will take care of this.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks

So a "5 minute" limit doesn't mean it will only overheat after 5 minutes, it may overheat earlier and actions must be taken to prevent this. It also may overheat later or not at all and there won't be any trouble during this flight if the engine is new. There might be trouble in the next flight or you are grounded because of required engine overhaul

I completely agree and I am aware of what you wrote. I guess the time limit implemented within the sim is just for the game purpose, so people won't abuse it unreasonably. I don't know if that's good or bad or if there is a better way of modelling this.

My comments on the actual usage in the sim had nothing to do with the real life, basically I shared what we found out with our Squad while testing these new planes shortly.

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks

You may run the engine on "5 minute all out" setting for 1 hours without overheating, however this would reduce the time between overhauls considerably (maybe to 20 hours compared to 100 hours).
On the other hand you may run the engine on "30 minute climb" setting for 10 minutes and damage the engine due to overheating, because radiator was shut and speed was to slow.

Or in the case of the p38 it would run forever without overheating but exceeding recommended time limits would stuff the turbocharger with the consequent drastic reduction in power.

Clearly in a game "overheating" is used to represent a wide range of engine faults not all of which manifested in real life as actual overheating. This applies to many FM and DM scenarios, you cannot model everything.

As a result if you want to claim your favorite ride has been nobbled (regardless of what plane is) its not to hard to find some area in any sim where the simplified modelling means a mismatch with historical data.

[Crumpp]

Clearly in a game "overheating" is used to represent a wide range of engine faults not all of which manifested in real life as actual overheating. This applies to many FM and DM scenarios, you cannot model everything.

Exactly.

The most thing they can simulate is the mindset of piloting an aircraft. That means maintaining a scan of the instruments and operating the aircraft by the POH limits.

IMHO, CloD does this better than any game before it.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

Exactly.

The most thing they can simulate is the mindset of piloting an aircraft. That means maintaining a scan of the instruments and operating the aircraft by the POH limits.

IMHO, CloD does this better than any game before it.

I agree, but the POH limits should be modelled correctly. I can see they can't model everything and the engine damage is simplified (and overaggresive for the gaming reasons) and I have no problem with that. Even though the relative performance now seems to be much better than even before and maybe the boost gauges showing incorrect values are purely cosmetic issue. This is still subject to change and I am not about to do any proper testing just yet, but I would say that most of the RAF flyers welcome the current beta. All it needs now is fixing the instruments (if that's really the issue) so correct figures are being shown, fixing the incosnistencies within RAF fighter mixture control including the necessity to go Auto Lean in order to be able to use +12lbs. at 3000rpm. And include similar limitation for DB 601 Notleistung so people won't abuse it like I do.

Osprey - Ernst seems to be just a frustrated LW pilot that was outflown by some Spitfire pilot, there is nothing wrong with that. His post is interesting and I understand what bothers him (I don't like whining either), but he is obviously wrong in his assumptions.

[Skoshi Tiger]

I routine get my butt kicked flying the spitfire. I generally put this down to poor tactical choices, slow reactions time and being deviod of any combat flying skills!

As such I tend to be of the opinion it's the pilot not the plane!

I'm not to sure about all this talk of Uber Spitfires when I can almost keep pace with one in a Blenhiem!

You can always tell a noob Blue pilot from the radio message!

Pilot 1 - "I've just shot down a Spitfire!!!!!!! "
Pilot 2 -"That was only Skoshi tiger!, Everyones done that! "
Pilot 1 - "Oh! "

Cheers!