Man Made Global Warming

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Al Gore never claimed to have 'invented the internet'. Not that it would matter the slightest if he did. This isn't about Al Gore, any more than it is about Burt Rutan. Still, anything to divert us from the facts - which are that the overwhelming consensus amongst the relevant scientific community (the only people qualified to make meaningful statements on the subject) is than anthropogenic climate change is real, and is likely to have significant negative consequences. This is the only fact that matters.

Yes I know that he didn't invent it, but the internet, especially the leaked e-mails have enlightened many of us. The grand scam was devised before the internet, and so was brought down as a result of easily available data for one and all to study.

[AndyJWest]

Since nobody has offered the slightest evidence of any 'scam' beyond tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories, I see no reason to believe one exists. And the 'leaked' (actually stolen) e-mails have conclusively been proven to reveal no 'scam', fabrication of data, or any other misbehaviour beyond a bad choice of words in a private conversation. Still, you can't let the facts get in the way of your opinions, can you. Your mind is made up. Carry on repeating the same old lies...

[MadBlaster]

Wrench - it's what a plumber uses to get the job done
Pandering - it's what a politician uses to get the job done

In hindsight, she resigned on principle. She resigned because of pressure from her own staff to join the Euro/monetary union. I think you Brits thank your lucky stars she was against it.

When she attended that conference at the UN in 1990, she was simply pandering to her audience. What all politicians do. But actions speak louder than words. She knew, it's a suckers game at the UN.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Since nobody has offered the slightest evidence of any 'scam' beyond tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories, I see no reason to believe one exists. And the 'leaked' (actually stolen) e-mails have conclusively been proven to reveal no 'scam', fabrication of data, or any other misbehaviour beyond a bad choice of words in a private conversation. Still, you can't let the facts get in the way of your opinions, can you. Your mind is made up. Carry on repeating the same old lies...

You seem fairly intelligent, maybe you will change your mind someday.

[AndyJWest]

@ MadBlaster:

Trolling - it's what trolls do
Bullxxxxxx - it's what bullxxxxxx do

Go away

[AndyJWest]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

You seem fairly intelligent, maybe you will change your mind someday.

Are you intelligent enough to change your mind? Are you intelligent enough to actually look at the evidence presented by the only people with any expertise in the subject? Or are you happy to continue believing that you know the 'truth', and don't need to actually see if you are right?

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

@ MadBlaster:

Trolling - it's what trolls do
Bullshitting - it's what bullshitters do

Go away

Um, go look it up. Everything I said, fact. Hopefully no bank runs next week.

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

A casual reader of this thread would notice a complete absence of any scientific evidence in support of the Man Made theory.

The whole "Man Made" issue is irrelevant and just a distraction.

The argument seems to be "its all a communist plot and doesn't exist, but even if it did exist its not Man Made (translated as capitalist/American made) its actually natural resulting from sun-spots/volcanoes/Justin-Bieber/ice-ages/fluffy-kittens and therefore we can ignore it.

If you said to someone "do not worry about that cancer which is killing you its not man made so ignore it" they would look at you like you are mad.

[jimson8]

The whole problem whether man made climate change is real or not is that it has been jumped on by leftists who seem to be determined to use the issue as a vehicle for some sort of global social justice wealth transfer.

The fact is there are no practical energy sources available or on the horizon that can replace fossil fuels. If you think the answer is for the west to deindustrialize then welcome us all to 3rd world status as I doubt you are ever going to get China to go along.

If you really want to get American "hillbillies" on board, you need to change your approach.

Frame it as a patriotic national security issue. "Every tank of gas you buy provides a Muslim terrorist with a weapon"

Stop trying to Europeanize America.

Make alt energy cars we would want to drive, like big trucks and SUV's. Yes you will have to give up on peak efficiency but that's better than trying to force us into little ugly Prius cars.

Make some cool alt energy retro 65 Mustangs and 57 Chevy's.

Like it or not, people in Phoenix will never be willing to roast with less air conditioning to be martyrs on the altar of global warming.

[AndyJWest]

Stop trying to Europeanize America.

This isn't an American issue - it is a global one. This isn't a 'leftist' issue, it is a scientific one. You're probably right about the link between terrorism and 'gas' though - the West (and the US in particular) has done much to create the sort of conditions where terrorism thrives through repeated military interventions, support for autocratic regimes, and other acts designed to ensure future oil supplies - not that it has actually succeeded.