Spit IIa is now so much more inferior to the 109

[Hooves]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Well the spits can sure keep up with my E4 and they still can turn like a biplane so I am going to call BS on this.

This is called height advantage you would be able to do exactly the same thing to him if you had more height than him .

If a Spit can keep up with your E-4 you are doing it wrong. Sorry but your fanboyism is not going to cover up the GINORMOUS performance gap between the 109's and Spits.

[Tettie]

Originally Posted by Hooves

If a Spit can keep up with your E-4 you are doing it wrong. Sorry but your fanboyism is not going to cover up the GINORMOUS performance gap between the 109's and Spits.

Is there any proof of that? This thread is all about opinions but no proof, from both sides. Any video's, accurate testing reports or anything?

[C6_Werner]

Originally Posted by Tettie

Is there any proof of that? This thread is all about opinions but no proof, from both sides. Any video's, accurate testing reports or anything?

109 turn better than the spit with low speed, below 370km/hour.
According to Closterman the pilots of spit who have to try are not to return to say it
2mn44 speak french.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8h...partie2_webcam

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Hooves

If a Spit can keep up with your E-4 you are doing it wrong. Sorry but your fanboyism is not going to cover up the GINORMOUS performance gap between the 109's and Spits.

Err what fanboyism... just telling it how I see it. A spit is slower than it should be but it still can turn much better than a 109 from what I have read it is ridiculous, sure the spit is the better turner but not THAT much better...

[ReconNZ]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Err what fanboyism... just telling it how I see it. A spit is slower than it should be but it still can turn much better than a 109 from what I have read is ridiculous, sure the spit is the better turner but not THAT much better...

Mate, turning is irrelevant - if you can climb better and fly faster, then you shouldnt ever get tagged. The 109 is far superior in almost any way. The turning difference is most likely due to the fact that the 109 is always going so much faster, so it seems like the spit turns better - truth is the slower object will always have the tighter turning circle - the difference you speak of is caused because the 109 is so much quicker!

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by ReconNZ

Mate, turning is irrelevant - if you can climb better and fly faster, then you shouldnt ever get tagged. The 109 is far superior in almost any way. The turning difference is most likely due to the fact that the 109 is always going so much faster, so it seems like the spit turns better - truth is the slower object will always have the tighter turning circle - the difference you speak of is caused because the 109 is so much quicker!

Again, from my direct hands-on experience this is not true. In a sustained turn the Spit IIa catches the 109 in a couple of 360's. Give the 109 a try and you will see, I really advise you to try it.
Another strange advantage of the Spit is the unrealistic roll rate at high speed, I was really surprised by this. In barrel rolls this was lethal for my poor 109 opponent ... LOL!

On speed: I followed a 109 hurrying for his life at low alt, and I was slowly gaining on him, but what made me slow down was the fear of damaging the engine, which in the 109 never happens. In the Spit you risk to blow the governor and engine in few minutes if you push it to the extreme for too longtime. That a disadvantage.

Cheers!

Cheers!

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Insuber

Again, from my direct hands-on experience this is not true. In a sustained turn the Spit IIa catches the 109 in a couple of 360's. Give the 109 a try and you will see, I really advise you to try it.
Another strange advantage of the Spit is the unrealistic roll rate at high speed, I was really surprised by this. In barrel rolls this was lethal for my poor 109 opponent ... LOL!

On speed: I followed a 109 hurrying for his life at low alt, and I was slowly gaining on him, but what made me slow down was the fear of damaging the engine, which in the 109 never happens. In the Spit you risk to blow the governor and engine in few minutes if you push it to the extreme for too longtime. That a disadvantage.

Cheers!

Cheers!

Thanks for clearing that up Insuber by the way your luftwhiner

So basically the red guys want there UFO spit back LMAO!

[Kwiatek]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Thanks for clearing that up Insuber by the way your luftwhiner

So basically the red guys want there UFO spit back LMAO!

I think guys like you split people for red or blue ones and i understand that you never will be objective like every fanboy of his toy. Such people only make not nessesery mess here.

Im glad that i like to fly all these birds no metter of side. But im know that im in huge minoriy.

Sure i will be happy with E-4/N too even it was very rare plane in BOB and it doesnt change too much in low level speed for 109 but mostly at higher alts if you know

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

I think guys like you split people for red or blue ones and i understand that you never will be objective like every fanboy of his toy. Such people only make not nessesery mess here.

Im glad that i like to fly all these birds no metter of side. But im know that im in huge minoriy.

Err i fly both sides, I want realistic FM's so don't try and label me with your own tar fanboy.

Lets repeat that I FLY BOTH RED AND BLUE I LOVE BOTH THE SPIT AND 109, AT PRESENT I JUST HAPPEN TO FLY BLUE.

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

I think guys like you split people for red or blue ones and i understand that you never will be objective like every fanboy of his toy. Such people only make not nessesery mess here.

Im glad that i like to fly all these birds no metter of side. But im know that im in huge minoriy.

Sure i will be happy with E-4/N too even it was very rare plane in BOB and it doesnt change too much in low level speed for 109 but mostly at higher alts if you know

That's a very unfortunate post of you Kwiatek as you completely misunderstood my interventions. I never plead for unrealistic FM, I just reported my direct experience on the new FMs of both planes. Btw I support the request for the 100 octane / 12 lbs boost, and I voted for that in the bug tracker. Call it fanboyism ... bah!!!