Is this the New Winston Churchill?

[MB_Avro_UK]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

What lack of communality? You are projecting the UK's special situation as an island onto the countries of the continent. Most areas and people have been under one rulership or another, starting with the roman empire. There is a commonly shared and ongoing history of direct interaction and exchange for millenia, unrivaled anywhere else in the world.

There even is a common religion which was equally practiced eveywhere and the philisophical and ethical code coming with that.

Populations living at the borders of two countries often are more like one each other then people living on the borders to other countries. The same applies to ethnitices, which only corrolate superficially with dominant cultures. Most "differences" are simply based on the faith of being different, not actual differences. You will find when you move to other european countries that they differ in customs, not in basic values.

Added to that, we are not living in the 19th century anymore. There are countries coming up whose basic values differ to a far greater degree and the pontential to surpass any european nation with economic power by several multitudes, China the most prominent one.
Compared to these, Europe is a highly integrated cultural area and is seen at that in other parts of the world. That includes the UK.

You do not think one country alone, even the UK or Germany, stands a chance to counter that development alone in the long run, do you?

Finally, about the Euro. That stuff you talk about is bollocks. And it has become a self runner without anybody looking at how thbings really are. Portugal, Spain, Ireland, parts of the eastern european countries and also Germany have benefited enourmously from the Euro.
Even today the southern european countries, despite all the declines, are still leagues above from where they started out initially. Portugal was a Morocco style country before joing the EU and eventually the Euro.

The problem does not lie in the currency itself, it lies in it's basic construction, exposed by the collaps of an anglo saxon financial system, a system that helped a country like Greece fudge it's numbers into the Euro.

P.S. A little observation. Never in my life have I seen so much news coverage over the interiour politcal developments of other european countries. It's the same in any given eeuropean country currently I think. We have long reached the stage of european interiour politics in a strained and nerve wrecking situation without anybody by now even having gotten the idea to mobilize. Tell me what you want, but given european history, that is an achievement all by itself. I also prefer peace over capitalism.

There's no need for swearing just because you disagree.

I have friends in Germany and France plus a few other states. They agree with me.

The only country that has 'benefited' from the Euro is Germany. Remember how many Mercs and BMWs were sold to Greece on loans when they joined the Euro?

That was fine then. But now, feelings towards Greece have changed somewhat in Germany.


Best Regards from a Non-Swearing,
MB_Avro.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by swiss

That would be very inconsequent, don't you think?



I'm talking about a situation where you'd have to expect a draft rather than volunteer.
I also decided against having my own offspring.
It has always been a pita for the past 10 years to talk my gf out of it...

Why? Argueably, despite the economic turmoil in Europe, there has never been a time in the entire european history were ppl were better of then now.

So why those mass suicidal tendencies?

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by MB_Avro_UK

There's no need for swearing just because you disagree.

I have friends in Germany and France plus a few other states. They agree with me.

The only country that has 'benefited' from the Euro is Germany. Remember how many Mercs and BMWs were sold to Greece on loans when they joined the Euro?

That was fine then. But now, feelings towards Greece have changed somewhat in Germany.


Best Regards from a Non-Swearing,
MB_Avro.

Well "my friends said...." is an interesting argument. I see the depths and factual truth in there. Directly extends to the rest of your post. What friends did you tell those snippets, then?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Well "my friends said...." is an interesting argument. I see the depths and factual truth in there. Directly extends to the rest of your post. What friends did you tell those snippets, then?

Bewolf, don't bother, I can't imagine someone like Avro having friends in Germany or France

[MB_Avro_UK]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Well "my friends said...." is an interesting argument. I see the depths and factual truth in there. Directly extends to the rest of your post. What friends did you tell those snippets, then?

You are avoiding my points. Try harder.


Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[MB_Avro_UK]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Bewolf, don't bother, I can't imagine someone like Avro having friends in Germany or France

Teamed up with Bewulf,have you? Safety in numbers?

And you are wrong about my not having friends in Europe. Do you want their photos, names and addresses and telephone numbers?

Try not to get personal you two. It undermines the forum.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by MB_Avro_UK

You are avoiding my points. Try harder.


Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

....complains the one ignoring mine? Funny attitude you have. Doesn't make much sense to go on this way, now does it?

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Bewolf, don't bother, I can't imagine someone like Avro having friends in Germany or France

what an intellectual riposte.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Why? Argueably, despite the economic turmoil in Europe, there has never been a time in the entire european history were ppl were better of then now.

I dare to doubt that, furthermore I dont five a damn how ppl are off in eastern Europe, fact is we are off quite worse than 30 years ago.
There are several reason for that, agreed, but this is not the line I want to argue about.

What I do care about is the planet, which in my terms is neither humanity or the rock floating in space, but the whole flora and fauna living on it.
What gives us the right to destroy the habitat of all those beings?
You mentioned the progress in genetics - this could be indeed a way out, once you manage synchronize humans even socialism could work.
In the end however, we will be nothing more than one gigantic ant hive - is that what you want? Is that worth to live for?
Given the choice I'd prefer to die any day to make this future not come true.
Btw; have you ever seen " soylent green"?

[Sternjaeger II]

come on fellas, have a laugh, let's not take ourselves too seriously for a change, you can appreciate that someone that boasts on his location: "London, England (Not European!)" might cause some raised eyebrows when saying he has friends over Europe

Anyway, sorry fellas, go back to your argument.