BoM should have playable demo

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

well that might be your case mate, you can appreciate that there are also newcomers that were deceived by the fake specs and content promises.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this at least in part. In this day and age of forums, reviews, and easily obtained videos from readily accessable places on line, there's no reason to have stepped into CoD blindly. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I never buy something without checking it out first. While I'm as dissappointed as the next fellow regarding CoD, I knew what I was getting.

Could there be folks who happened to be shopping in their local Best Buy, saw CoD on the shelf and bought it because it looked flashy and within their specced PC's range? Yup. But I think those days and kind of buyers are fewer and farther between today, as compared to say, when IL2 was released.

I remember being fluffed by MSCFS3's graphical preview movie, but there wasn't any gameplay video released. How many were chuffed at how the game ran on their systems? I was. It looked nothing like the gameplay trailer. I bought it in haste and learned. ALWAYS review before purchasing. Today access to info is readily availible - much more than in 2002 when MSCFS was released.

As I said I have to disagree in part.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Robert

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this at least in part. In this day and age of forums, reviews, and easily obtained videos from readily accessable places on line, there's no reason to have stepped into CoD blindly. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I never buy something without checking it out first. While I'm as dissappointed as the next fellow regarding CoD, I knew what I was getting.

Could there be folks who happened to be shopping in their local Best Buy, saw CoD on the shelf and bought it because it looked flashy and within their specced PC's range? Yup. But I think those days and kind of buyers are fewer and farther between today, as compared to say, when IL2 was released.

I remember being fluffed by MSCFS3's graphical preview movie, but there wasn't any gameplay video released. How many were chuffed at how the game ran on their systems? I was. It looked nothing like the gameplay trailer. I bought it in haste and learned. ALWAYS review before purchasing. Today access to info is readily availible - much more than in 2002 when MSCFS was released.

As I said I have to disagree in part.

yeah sure. Now go here and read the minimum and recommended specs again

It's deceiving to say the least, don't you think? If I go to the Ubisoft website and browse through the games, it takes me to the official page, which just like the current status of the sim, is a farce.

But hey, we're sitting here patiently, we have for more than a year now..

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

yeah sure. Now go here and read the minimum and recommended specs again

It's deceiving to say the least, don't you think? If I go to the Ubisoft website and browse through the games, it takes me to the official page, which just like the current status of the sim, is a farce.

But hey, we're sitting here patiently, we have for more than a year now..

I'm not disagreeing with you regarding minimum specs, Stern. I am saying that anyone with an ounce of common sense in this day and age has a multitude of ways to verify a purchasing decision before they plunk they're money down. I don't know of a single game that doesn't have it's forum. Google and BING can give copius amounts of links that detail the issues with any game/car/dentist/or hair dryer. While I understand and agree with the frustration regarding CoD, there has never been a time where a buyer has had more avenues open to them so they can avoid bad purchasing decisions.


The Russian release was March of last year. We all heard the ney sayers and disatisfied rightfully be upset. How many non Russian players found a way to DL the game? I bought the U.S. prerelease through GoGamer and got trapped in that "Code is already used - your installation is invalid" fiasco. So I eventually bought a second copy after not getting satisfaction through STEAM or GG. I KNEW the status of the game. At this point I don't think to many of us are getting hoodwinked. We may be eternal optomists getting our hopes dashed over and over again, but we did buy CoD knowing what we have.

My PC is a minimum spec machine. I can turn down the settings to what I consider quite ugly, and have some good battles with minimum issues.... but it looks horrible. I turn everything up as high as I can and use CoD for created missions and site seeing - ala MSFSX.


Caveat Emptor. At no time in history has this been easier to do.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by Robert

I'm not disagreeing with you regarding minimum specs, Stern. I am saying that anyone with an ounce of common sense in this day and age has a multitude of ways to verify a purchasing decision before they plunk they're money down. I don't know of a single game that doesn't have it's forum. Google and BING can give copius amounts of links that detail the issues with any game/car/dentist/or hair dryer. While I understand and agree with the frustration regarding CoD, there has never been a time where a buyer has had more avenues open to them so they can avoid bad purchasing decisions.


The Russian release was March of last year. We all heard the ney sayers and disatisfied rightfully be upset. How many non Russian players found a way to DL the game? I bought the U.S. prerelease through GoGamer and got trapped in that "Code is already used - your installation is invalid" fiasco. So I eventually bought a second copy after not getting satisfaction through STEAM or GG. I KNEW the status of the game. At this point I don't think to many of us are getting hoodwinked. We may be eternal optomists getting our hopes dashed over and over again, but we did buy CoD knowing what we have.

My PC is a minimum spec machine. I can turn down the settings to what I consider quite ugly, and have some good battles with minimum issues.... but it looks horrible. I turn everything up as high as I can and use CoD for created missions and site seeing - ala MSFSX.


Caveat Emptor. At no time in history has this been easier to do.

Wouldn't the name iL2 be reason enough to go and buy?..

Would you not assume the game be of a certain standard or would you approach with caution as its a new game being released?

I know what one I would do and obviously what a lot of others done..

What your saying is right but not on a title that was released by the same company with all the years of support and enjoyment we had in a ww2 sim market

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Wouldn't the name iL2 be reason enough to go and buy?..

Would you not assume the game be of a certain standard or would you approach with caution as its a new game being released?

I know what one I would do and obviously what a lot of others done..

What your saying is right but not on a title that was released by the same company with all the years of support and enjoyment we had in a ww2 sim market

Interesting. So, you trusted them enough to buy it sight unseen, but now you don't trust them to fix it?

[Ze-Jamz]

Erm..where have I said I don't trust them to fix it?

You insinuating again Hayward

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

Interesting. So, you trusted them enough to buy it sight unseen, but now you don't trust them to fix it?

That sums up my situation pretty well. We all came off 1946 with warm fuzzies because they handled that series quite well. A lot of us bought this game out of good will, knowing that it was in a bad state but also knowing that the developers needed money to keep going, and expecting that it would be fixed in a reasonable time frame. That good will is rapidly dwindling if not already completely exhausted.

1C owes us a working game, and the longer they take to deliver, the more irate and pessimistic people are going to become.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

1C owes us a working game, and the longer they take to deliver, the more irate and pessimistic people are going to become.

Apparently your definition of "good will" is significantly different from mine.

In any case, if they don't get CoD fixed it's not going to matter to them how irate you are. They will be unemployed and will have more important problems to deal with.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Wouldn't the name iL2 be reason enough to go and buy?..

Would you not assume the game be of a certain standard or would you approach with caution as its a new game being released?

I know what one I would do and obviously what a lot of others done..

What your saying is right but not on a title that was released by the same company with all the years of support and enjoyment we had in a ww2 sim market

Maybe I'm a cynical old fart, but no, I'd approach the decisions as described in my above post. I wouldn't assume one certain developer can match the success of a previous title - though the reputation of said developer does bear weight and measure. Toyota may be the best backed/trouble free car in America, but I'm still researching my decision.

Any of us (and I know there are exceptions) who flew IL2 and who were aware of the pedigree were probably just as aware of the upcoming BoB. I doubt there was a high percentage of fans who hadn't at least peripherally heard of CoDs problems and it's long development cycle.

[Robert]

To get back on topic. I'd be for a demo. I'm not angry at the developers, and understand this is a pretty big undertaking. For what ever reason (and there could be hundreds) they haven't squashed the issues. I think it would go a long way to assuring forum member/sim enthusiasts' buying decisions - especially if these current issues don't get solved until shortly before the release of BoM.

As it is we don't know how far off that is. I think a lot of folks are just tired of the wait and are near apathy. A demo would go a long way to assuage that feeling.