has anyone notice a dumping in the stick?

[trumps]

Originally Posted by raaaid

i always found vertical scissors unrealistic foe being too fast

but somehow seems solved though apparently the stick hasnt been delayed

edit:

imho the trim should have no delay but the stick do

the reason is that the stick handles hundred of kg forces while the trim is servoassisted by the wind force

and what can you move faster 100 grams force or 100kg

the truth is you can do a bat turn with the trim since its SERVOASSISTED

what makes you think that the trim is in anyway assisted by the air? the trim as with the rest of the control surfaces is fighting against the natural flow of air over the flying surfaces, the trim surfaces have a lot smaller surface area
and a lot less bite, it's reason for being is to finetune for a desired attitude thus unloading the main control surfaces. obviously if say full up elevator is held in and full upward trim more air will be redirected than if down trim had been set. a lot of control surfaces had mass balancers, or extended forward of the surface pivotpoint to counterbalance some of the load applied to them by the air, thus reducing stick load. also i think that in real life you would be suprised at how little surface deflection is actually required produce a pretty severe change of direction, especially as speed increases. trying to bang the stick to the stops at speed would usually just result in a stalled flying surface,a snaproll, or very likely one extremely bent airframe!

LOL, can't believe i just spent 5 minutes, and so many words replying to one of raaids posts!!!

Craig

[raaaid]

Originally Posted by trumps

what makes you think that the trim is in anyway assisted by the air? ...
LOL, can't believe i just spent 5 minutes, and so many words replying to one of raaids posts!!!

Craig

youre about to learn something new:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servo_tab

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by raaaid

youre about to learn something new:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servo_tab

Raaid those are servo tabs and anti servo tabs, sometimes called balance/anti balance tabs, not trim tabs like the ones in game, true that aircraft with balance/anti balance tabs are trimmed throught them but they are a completely different thing.

[raaaid]

the wiki says

See also: Trim tab

its different name for the same thing, a trim tab is servoassisted by the wind force and should have never been delayed by the massive peoples nagging who werent able to handle stick and trim at the same time

maybe you see a difference on weather the tabs are controlled by a wheel or the stick but this doesnt change the fact theyre servo assisted

[Madfish]

I wouldn't say the effect of a trim tab is minor...

There are many examples of how strongly the smallest surface can affect an airplane. Especially if the physical properties are right (or wrong) meaning structural integrity, weight etc.

Keep the p51 crashes in mind as they're good examples for this http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...-crash-6481596

[bongodriver]

the wiki says

See also: Trim tab

not because they are the same thing.

Trim tabs are not servoassisted by airflow.

[Bolelas]

Well, when you trim you are not realy assisted by the wind, because the little surface still has to go on to airflow, but i understand what raaid says, if we know how it works it is logical to think like that. It becomes unmultiplied like in a pulley. But i dont think rotating a weel several turns will be faster than pulling or pushing the column control. Just my opinion, i am not plane expert.

[raaaid]

DO THIS EXPERIment:

dive in a 109 and use the stick, its so irresponsive

now do the same with the elevator trim, it responds smooth as silk