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raaaid · #1 04-26-2012, 10:31 AM

i tried to research info on hartmans breakdowns but theres none

Kongo-Otto · #2 04-26-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by raaaid

i tried to research info on hartmans breakdowns but theres none

who said he had them?

5./JG27.Farber · #3 04-26-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

who said he had them?

It is skirted upon in the blonde knight of Germany. If true or not, who could blame him? 11 years in Soviet Prison camps...

Kongo-Otto · #4 04-26-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

It is skirted upon in the blonde knight of Germany. If true or not, who could blame him? 11 years in Soviet Prison camps...

I don't have that book, so i didn't know that.
The only Pilots i did read about Breakdowns the Luftwaffe called it "abgeflogen"(today we call it PTSD) were Nowotny and Marseille.

raaaid · #5 04-26-2012, 02:43 PM

oh i didnt know marseille had a nervous breakdown as well

this seems to be covered up due to hero worship

csThor · #6 04-26-2012, 02:48 PM

Hartmann didn't exactly break down, he merely drank far too much.

Kongo-Otto · #7 04-27-2012, 04:55 AM

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oh i didnt know marseille had a nervous breakdown as well

this seems to be covered up due to hero worship

Raaaid we are talking about PTSD and not about Nevous Breakdowns which is a different clinical picture.
Novotny and Marseille clearly showed signs of PTSD and it looks like Hartmann had it too.

raaaid · #8 04-27-2012, 10:12 AM

there are many names for it but its the same thing:

Hartmann was downed for the fifth time, having been rammed by an LaGG-3. Following this incident, he suffered a nervous breakdown and was sent back to Germany on convalescent leave.

http://www.theeasternfront.co.uk/air...twaffeaces.htm

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On 25 May 1943, when Hartmann was downed for the fifth time - this time when he was rammed by or collided with a LaGG-3 - he suffered a nervous breakdown, and was sent back to Germany to rest. Back home his father told him that he was convinced that Germany had no chance to win the war. Hartmann returned to the Eastern Front in June 1943 determined to prove that his father was wrong.

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/hartm/hartm1.htm