Speed graphs for Spitfire and Hurricane

[Flanker35M]

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Zapatista, please calm down. You are crying like a kid with a lollipop pulled out of mouth. Do you really think ANY player of this GAME want it to be handicapped in any way, be it their favorite plane or not. I for sure don't. But by judging your outburst it seems you need every single thing that would give an I-WIN button over the German planes and psuhing that agenda with foam spewing. Really does not help it as said above. Slam the facts on the table and the devs figure the rest. Not a single "thread hundred+ pages of foaming about an agenda" will help.

And even the game would simulate every single plane down to last rivet there would be someone to whine because they do not get same performance for some reason. So after all it is the pilot not the machine After the patch is released will for sure do tests either offline or if enough people are interested online to gather data how things have changed rather than foaming here before the damn patch is even out.

[ATAG_Bliss]

You guys can argue back and forth about the performance of the FMs but just remember this, when the patch comes out I'm going up in a G50 and going to shoot you all down

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

You guys can argue back and forth about the performance of the FMs but just remember this, when the patch comes out I'm going up in a G50 and going to shoot you all down

What....the UBER - G50???? LOL

[CWMV]

Not this guy. I just want it to work offline!

[41Sqn_Banks]

Will be interesting to see how the Spitfire performs below 3000m.

Some notes about the Bf 109 performance:



Anyone else noticed that the "reference graph" of the Bf 109 are factory/manual data? They were not achieved during the actual flight test because the Bf 109 in the test was under-performing.

The "reference graph" of the Spitfire is from a actual flight test, ironically again by a under-performing aircraft (speed dropped from 2800 RPM to 3000 RPM).

In addition WEP of the Bf 109 was only allowed (possible?) for take-off and up to 1-1.5km.

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks

Some notes about the Bf 109 performance:



Anyone else noticed that the "reference graph" of the Bf 109 are factory/manual data? They were not achieved during the actual flight test because the Bf 109 in the test was under-performing.

The "reference graph" of the Spitfire is from a actual flight test, ironically again by a under-performing aircraft (speed dropped from 2800 RPM to 3000 RPM).

In addition WEP of the Bf 109 was only allowed (possible?) for take-off and up to 1-1.5km.

For comparison, the actual flight test (note the two lines, the bold one is the speed measured with the engine slightly down on power by about 50-60 PS, the thinner line is the measured performance re-calculated for nominal engine output guaranteed by engine manufacturer)

This has been achieved with 1.33/1.35 ata, which is our firewalled throttle setting in the game, without resorting to the 1-min WEP.



Condition of the airframe :

'The surface was painted after the serial production standard. The engine cowling was still rough, exhaust manifolds (DB-type, made at BFW) were lacking top cover.

2 Cowl- and wing-MGs were installed.
Antenna wire.
Undercarriage retracted, tailwheel out.
For air intake, see the reports drawings.

Radiator cooler flaps were 1/4 open. Coolant temperature observed as constant 90 degrees Celsius.
Oil cooler flaps were closed. Oil temperature observed as 62/82 degrees Celsius.'

IMHO the oil/coolant temperatures are also interesting. Coolant seems to boil rather too quickly in the sim.

The following paper is the official type specification for the Bf 109E. Manufacturer guaranteed these specs within +/- 5 % tolerance.

[Sven]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

For comparison, the actual flight test (note the two lines, the bold one is the speed measured with the engine slightly down on power by about 50-60 PS, the thinner line is the measured performance re-calculated for nominal engine output guaranteed by engine manufacturer)

This has been achieved with 1.33/1.35 ata, which is our firewalled throttle setting in the game, without resorting to the 1-min WEP.

Would you say that with the data from that flight test that ~500 kmh could be achieved on the deck for a longer period of time in the BF109E without risking overheating ( which would happen only with emergency power of the 1-min WEP? ). And is there a graph which shows us the maximum speed when the BF109E is using the 1-min WEP?

It seems the devs think that ~500 kmh on the deck ( 0m ) can only be achieved with use of this 1 min WEP, which is not what your German Data speed graph lets us believe, Kurfurst's 1.33/1.35 ATA versus 1C's WEP 1.4 ATA to achieve 500. Quite a difference in terms of aircraft modelling.

One last thing, is this also a 'firewalled throttle without WEP' graph?



About the new Spitfire speed data, I don't want to see the SpitII replacing the Spit I on the servers, this should not be the solution. Dev team should look at 100 Octane SpitI speed figures which confirms that both the BF109E and SpitfireIa, if correctly modeled, are very close in terms of speed.

[Ataros]

Some interesting graphs and historical quotes and references were posted here. Please make sure they are available at the bugtracker for easier access.

[II/JG54_Emil]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

What....the UBER - G50???? LOL

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What are you guys talking and complaining about?

I can´t hear all this complaining anymore.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by II/JG54_Emil

???

What are you guys talking and complaining about?

I can´t hear all this complaining anymore.

Emil that was actually a joke about G.50... Good one btw.