Crusaders AD 2012

[AndyJWest]

don't throw the religion thing around

Given that you compare yourself to a Crusader, and present an oath of allegiance as 'holy', I think it is you that is 'throwing the religion thing around. As for ' electing the men that told the soldiers to march', I didn't vote for the men who gave orders for an invasion of Iraq based on a pack of lies.

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Given that you compare yourself to a Crusader, and present an oath of allegiance as 'holy', I think it is you that is 'throwing the religion thing around. As for ' electing the men that told the soldiers to march', I didn't vote for the men who gave orders for an invasion of Iraq based on a pack of lies.

I did. If your mad about it, blame me. I stand by my vote. Just pathetic it took two wars. So, I wonder how well oiled the machine really is. Hopefully I live long enough to see the attack on the domestic enemies play out. Seems empty words at this point when you have a government openly and actively engaged in all forms of corruption for so long. But I keep voting and paying my taxes. I think it must be quite difficult in current day for a young man to sign that pledge and volunteer, given all this day to day corruption. But I'm glad somebody is still willing to do it. We haven't lost it all, yet.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

We haven't lost it all, yet.

Actually - you did.
The chengs beat you strategically everywhere, they even will dominate the pacific in the near future.
Have you ever wondered why they behave like they do?

Party A(USA) spends billions on Army they dont need and on a war which offers nothing in return.

Party B(China) spends almost nothing on its army but billions on infrastructure projects all over the planet(moon scouting too, actually).

What will the the situation be in 20 or 30 years to come?
The chengs will have earned trillions on their projects and almost singlehandedly control all strategic resources on the planet. Given the fact there was no thread in the past decades they also have enough cash to build one huge mofo Army in no time. And they already control their own "business" airfields in every corner of the world.

The USA on they other hand will be bled dry - without the power to counter it. Ever heard of they expression "being on small boat to china"?

Dont believe me?
Why do they buy a shitty old communist carrier? Because they need to know how to build them. Once they figured it out, they can produce them like bakeries donuts.
Same with the china stealth fighter, they dont want to produce a top of the line fighter, they especially dont want to scare the crap out of the todays superpowers. Imho, this is a large scale prototype run. Learn how this stuff works and how fast you can produce it.
If you got blueprints and understanding of the technology, the only two things keeping you back are: Money and manpower. They have both.

just my ¢2

[MadBlaster]

agree swiss, except the part about voting to fight a war with no return. sometimes you just have to do what you think is the right thing and take a chance. it's not about economics or treasure. you see a dictator gassing his own people, shooting people in the head with a smile on his face and you want to make the bad man go away for those people. so you take a risk. it shouldn't have taken two wars to make the bad man go away. so the dice roll, not a yahtzee. but the world knows again we don't like that crap. but we can't fix it all, unfortuneatley. because we are now broke and china has us by the balls. but I would still vote that way again today, even though gas prices have gone way up and my lifestyle fallen since 10 years ago.

[AndyJWest]

you see a dictator gassing his own people

Yup, with chemical weapons made from materials supplied by the US (the Ronald Reagan administration had taken Iraq off the State Department's list of State Sponsors of Terrorism, enabling this), along with Singapore, the Netherlands, Egypt, India and West Germany. And of course, the US is still happily backing dictators where it finds it convenient...

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Yup, with chemical weapons made from materials supplied by the US (the Ronald Reagan administration had taken Iraq off the State Department's list of State Sponsors of Terrorism, enabling this), along with Singapore, the Netherlands, Egypt, India and West Germany. And of course, the US is still happily backing dictators where it finds it convenient...

I guess there's a bit of truth what Johnny Depp said about US being a dumb puppy. But then again, Saddam would have probably bought the sheet from somewhere else I suppose.

As for dictator, I think some people here voted one in! So I have to agree with that too.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Well if you like that - get this one,

Britian sold Saddam compaonants to build a super gun so he could he could shoot at Jordan(?). The "pipes" were huge! During the Gulf War the SAS blew it up...

[raaaid]

Originally Posted by swiss

Actually - you did.
The chengs beat you strategically everywhere, they even will dominate the pacific in the near future.
Have you ever wondered why they behave like they do?

Party A(USA) spends billions on Army they dont need and on a war which offers nothing in return.

Party B(China) spends almost nothing on its army but billions on infrastructure projects all over the planet(moon scouting too, actually).

What will the the situation be in 20 or 30 years to come?
The chengs will have earned trillions on their projects and almost singlehandedly control all strategic resources on the planet. Given the fact there was no thread in the past decades they also have enough cash to build one huge mofo Army in no time. And they already control their own "business" airfields in every corner of the world.

The USA on they other hand will be bled dry - without the power to counter it. Ever heard of they expression "being on small boat to china"?

Dont believe me?
Why do they buy a shitty old communist carrier? Because they need to know how to build them. Once they figured it out, they can produce them like bakeries donuts.
Same with the china stealth fighter, they dont want to produce a top of the line fighter, they especially dont want to scare the crap out of the todays superpowers. Imho, this is a large scale prototype run. Learn how this stuff works and how fast you can produce it.
If you got blueprints and understanding of the technology, the only two things keeping you back are: Money and manpower. They have both.

just my ¢2

i completely falsify that by war being the biggest bussiness in the world

usa controls 1s t business: war

2nd business: oil

3rd business: drugs

usa is getting the big fish china the samller ones

[swiss]

Originally Posted by raaaid

i completely falsify that by war being the biggest bussiness in the world

usa controls 1s t business: war

2nd business: oil

3rd business: drugs

usa is getting the big fish china the samller ones

War only works as a business if you export your weapons systems. If you buy them yourself, the result is not quite so shiny.
Btw, what resources do need to build them, where do you get them from?
And last but not least, who is the USA's largest creditor, and why?

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Well if you like that - get this one,

Britian sold Saddam compaonants to build a super gun so he could he could shoot at Jordan(?). The "pipes" were huge! During the Gulf War the SAS blew it up...

Geneva, hotel room, bathtub.