Democracy 101 (are we brainwashed automats?)

[BadAim]

Lol, oddball. I agree fully. Tom is an old friend of mine, and definitely on my short list for meeting on the other side. I like the poem too, I guess that makes me the ox?

I have little faith in education as well, Blaster. No one is ever going to learn anything they don't want to. I guess that was my point. I don't really believe that the majority of people are stupid, but that they are willfully ignorant; they just don't care enough about anything to be bothered learning about it. Either way, education can't fix the problem, I mean you can't make someone care, and you can't raise their IQ. I guess that's why our education system has turned to indoctrination, it's probably easier to make all the fools think the way you want them to, rather than teach them to think for themselves.

There's the bad taste again.......

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by BadAim

I guess that's why our education system has turned to indoctrination, it's probably easier to make all the fools think the way you want them to, rather than teach them to think for themselves.

There's the bad taste again.......

The US is generally seen as a modern liberal state.

Liberal state theory virtually requires indoctrination of potential citizens for them to qualify as full members of a liberal state. Its only once indoctrination is deemed complete at say 18 years of age that you get full rights in a liberal state. Individuals where indoctrination has failed (criminals, the mentally ill, dissidents) are not granted full rights.

[Thee_oddball]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

The US is generally seen as a modern liberal state.

Liberal state theory virtually requires indoctrination of potential citizens for them to qualify as full members of a liberal state. Its only once indoctrination is deemed complete at say 18 years of age that you get full rights in a liberal state. Individuals where indoctrination has failed (criminals, the mentally ill, dissidents) are not granted full rights.

don't worry Gal it will all be different when I come to power ...we will have one leader one government one coun........CRAP! I knew I heard that some where before...and it didn't work then either...oh well back to the drawing board

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by Thee_oddball

don't worry Gal it will all be different when I come to power ...we will have one leader one government one coun........CRAP! I knew I heard that some where before...and it didn't work then either...oh well back to the drawing board

lol .. at heart I am a social anarchist.

I believe the only valid reason for having a government at all is so it can interfere with and control the Machiavellian manipulations of society and the economy that big business by its very nature will always indulge in

[He111]

ATM, Asian nations are growing fast under capitalist cruelty while western nations are collapsing into economic disaster through a welfare state mentality. So has democracy helped western nations ?? obviously not. The power of the voter to sell their vote for a handout is very powerful, that our elected aristocrats tamper with at their own peril!

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[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by He111

ATM, Asian nations are growing fast under capitalist cruelty while western nations are collapsing into economic disaster through a welfare state mentality. So has democracy helped western nations ?? obviously not. The power of the voter to sell their vote for a handout is very powerful, that our elected aristocrats tamper with at their own peril!

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There is of course a certain illogic to this.

In the west:
Big Business greed -> means economy collapses -> govt forced to hand out welfare

Conclusion:
Welfare caused the economic collapse, give big business a tax break

[He111]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

There is of course a certain illogic to this.

In the west:
Big Business greed -> means economy collapses -> govt forced to hand out welfare

Conclusion:
Welfare caused the economic collapse, give big business a tax break

partly,

Politcal decisions (corruption through multinational & UN pressure) to move jobs to 3rd world economies (free trade), left many western governments with weakened economies, to fill the gap they compensated with low interest loans (credit) which mostly went into housing speculation. This housing bubble was expanded greatly by criminals within Public corporations (investment banks) jumping on the bandwagon and creating high-risk derivatives, creating great wealth for themselves and putting the companies they worked for, and world economy in great risk.

You know the rest .. I'm still waiting for the arrest warrants! which will probably include a ex-president & ex-Fedbank employee ..

EU problems are different, many EU countries have had a welfare problem with decades but was hidden by income derived from credit (housing bubble) but when it popped, many governments were left with not only welfare debt but bank bailout debt too. How do you pay expanded welfare when your economy is shrinking ? go into further debt .. and further debt. The lastest austerity measures to balance books will hurt greatly and shrink EU economies further, but I think are necessary to reflect poorer western societies ... unless western countries tell the UN & multinationals to go get .. and take their jobs back? (protectionism)

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