luthier, the historical performance btw 109/spitfire/huricane is NOT simulated in CoD

[Nephris]

Kwiatek dont get me wrong and this is for sure no offend, but I know you from Il2 times in Ultrapack and I got the deep impression that you are trying to push your finds for whatever there comes.I really have deep respect for your work and time you put into it.
An affinity to red planes was very obvious through your development and I am sure you can remember the discussions in the Ultrapack forums about FM which were sometimes more than hot.
I fly both sides so I actually dont care, as there will always be a plane for me I am satisfied with and I like to take the challenge even in an unbalance mix (e.g. vs a Spit 9 in Il2)

Those copied documents are fine for sure, but it is not the evangelium.

Do you suppose the developers did no research and adjusted the FM from the hip and just those documents posted here are the correct and not doubtable ones? This would be indeed pretentious.

Besides that, hold your breath until the beta patch got public and test it yourself to make a decent statement. Each disussion before is just heating things up for nothing.

[CaptainDoggles]

I'm sorry, is the purpose of this thread to argue that zapatista does not want historical performance?

Blue pilots aren't flying the way he likes, so he's asking luthier to make his favorite plane better?

If you're getting chewed up in furballs on the deck then STOP FLYING ON THE DECK.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

I'm sorry, is the purpose of this thread to argue that zapatista does not want historical performance?

Blue pilots aren't flying the way he likes, so he's asking luthier to make his favorite plane better?

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you seem to have a problem grasping simple concepts, re-read the thread and this time try to comprehend it

i dont care if it is blue, red, green or black, what i am asking for is that the figures used to simulate aircraft behavior in CoD are openly provided (like they were in the il2 compare series), and that the correct historical strength/weakness of each aircraft is correctly represented so we can use historically accurate maneuvers and tactics.

the example i gave is for the spitfire, which currently have some significant problems in this regard, and has just been threatened to be neutered even further. there might be (? are) probably some similar issues with some of the blue planes, i have no idea. my CoD install runs very poorly on my mid end pc, so i mostly so far have only limited experience with the spitfire

then again this whole concept might be beyond you, after all in order to "contribute" in a forum thread all it takes is a keyboard, not comprehension of the topic under discussion.

[335th_GRAthos]

Originally Posted by zapatista

i dont care if it is blue, red, green or black, what i am asking for is that the the figures used to simulate aircraft behavior in CoD are openly provided (like they were in the il2 compare series)

Originally Posted by zapatista

, and that the correct historical strength/weakness of each aircraft is correctly represented

100% percent behind you, on both points!

~S~

[Kwiatek]

Originally Posted by Nephris

Kwiatek dont get me wrong and this is for sure no offend, but I know you from Il2 times in Ultrapack and I got the deep impression that you are trying to push your finds for whatever there comes.I really have deep respect for your work and time you put into it.
An affinity to red planes was very obvious through your development and I am sure you can remember the discussions in the Ultrapack forums about FM which were sometimes more than hot.
I fly both sides so I actually dont care, as there will always be a plane for me I am satisfied with and I like to take the challenge even in an unbalance mix (e.g. vs a Spit 9 in Il2)

Those copied documents are fine for sure, but it is not the evangelium.

Do you suppose the developers did no research and adjusted the FM from the hip and just those documents posted here are the correct and not doubtable ones? This would be indeed pretentious.

Besides that, hold your breath until the beta patch got public and test it yourself to make a decent statement. Each disussion before is just heating things up for nothing.

Im flying all side planes also and i not familair with any side. I like flying the same Spitfire 109 or Fw 190. If you have some more knowledge in WW2 fighters performacne you should be know that i fixed also blue side planes e.x. i fixed acceleration problem in all Fw 190 planes, i made more close to RL data 109 E performacne ( stock IL2 109 E was too slow and too worse in turn) and many other fixes. You should ask Hades who is Ultr@pack founder and mostly blue side pilot what he thinks about my FM work.

And Yes i think 1C didnt make fairly reserch in BoB planes performacne. Just look at actual performacne planes in CLoD. Most people who have some knowledge in these knows these.

And Yes i after reading Luthier new's about FM changes i have big DOUBTS that they made it in fair way again.

I dont write which plane should be better but i just expect that they at LEAST use reliable and i think no mystery data and AT LEAST they will do it in fair and historical way.

Most needed data are here and i think that there will be really hard to find better one:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20110

I dont ask nothing more.