luthier, the historical performance btw 109/spitfire/huricane is NOT simulated in CoD

[335th_GRAthos]

Originally Posted by kendo65

One problem with that view is that historically one of the main aims of the German offensive was the destruction of RAF fighters - in some ways the Luftwaffe bombers were the bait to bring the RAF up so that the 109s could get at them.

Hi Ataros,

There is no problem with the view. This is the tactical advantage of the Bf109. And in an on-line game the reds get to feel the heat.

As far as the historic truth is concerned you were right, that was Luftwaffe's aim.
Why Luftwaffe failed, because the monthly production of planes was higher than the attrition rate; Which was one of the miracles of the UK production facilities.
Luftwaffe destroyed two times the amount of enemy planes they thought RAF was in possesion off and RAF kept coming...

~S~

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

Why Luftwaffe failed, because the monthly production of planes was higher than the attrition rate; Which was one of the miracles of the UK production facilities.
Luftwaffe destroyed two times the amount of enemy planes they thought RAF was in possesion off and RAF kept coming...

The reason the LW failed was that the British kept calm and carried on.

[335th_GRAthos]

Originally Posted by Robo.

The reason the LW failed was that the British kept calm and carried on.

Hmmm... historicaly inacurate assumption (pressumption)

Hadn't that stupid German bomber pilot dropped his bombs in the town (due to navigational error), thus causing the RAF bomber raid to Berlin, thus causing Hitler to order the bombardment of the British towns (instead of the industry and airfields), you would probably be speaking German as first language now...


And hadn't the Greeks kicked the Italian army thus obliging Hitler to invade Greece and have his airborne division massacred in the battle of Crete, probably the Russians would be speaking German, too...


irrespective how well the Spitfire turned (or didn't).

~S~

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

Hmmm... historicaly inacurate assumption (pressumption)

Hadn't that stupid German bomber pilot dropped his bombs in the town (due to navigational error), thus causing the RAF bomber raid to Berlin, thus causing Hitler to order the bombardment of the British towns (instead of the industry and airfields), you would probably be speaking German as first language now...

Wrong.

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

And hadn't the Greeks kicked the Italian army thus obliging Hitler to invade Greece and have his airborne division massacred in the battle of Crete, probably the Russians would be speaking German, too...

Wrong.

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

irrespective how well the Spitfire turned (or didn't).

~S~

Agreed.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

Hmmm... historicaly inacurate assumption (pressumption)

I ment it rather as a joke. But you got to get the British credit for their stoic determination, stubborn resistance... and guts. And for how they didn't allow the bloody Luftwaffe to win the battle.

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

Hadn't that stupid German bomber pilot dropped his bombs in the town (due to navigational error), thus causing the RAF bomber raid to Berlin, thus causing Hitler to order the bombardment of the British towns (instead of the industry and airfields), you would probably be speaking German as first language now...

Oh so what was that dude's name. I'd like to thank him personally for losing the war for Germans. Thank you very much, Helmut, danke vielmals!

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

Hmmm... historicaly inacurate assumption (pressumption)

Hadn't that stupid German bomber pilot dropped his bombs in the town (due to navigational error), thus causing the RAF bomber raid to Berlin, thus causing Hitler to order the bombardment of the British towns (instead of the industry and airfields), you would probably be speaking German as first language now...


And hadn't the Greeks kicked the Italian army thus obliging Hitler to invade Greece and have his airborne division massacred in the battle of Crete, probably the Russians would be speaking German, too...


irrespective how well the Spitfire turned (or didn't).

~S~

You seriously believe this? You are practically a sympathiser.....


For serious historians though please vote:
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/174

[335th_GRAthos]

Originally Posted by Osprey

You seriously believe this? You are practically a sympathiser.....

WOW WOW WOW Baby!

Part of my family died in Crete defending my country against the nazis.

So you better wash your frigging brain, twice, before posting insults like that!

And read some more history and understand it instead of playing games, wondering how many octanes your Hurricane needs so that you do not get kicked.

~S~

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein

[Nephris]

Groundhog Day again ....
These threads are as old as Il2 birthday.
I see them come I see them leave and I am pretty sure my grandchildren will reads those threads too.

The point is there will never be an agreement on what is historrical ,what is correct. You present Data 1 from date x.x.1940, I present you Data 2 from y.y.1940.

At then end leave the job to the dev team, do constructive critism and maybe parts of that will influence the development.
But for now there are much more important things than FM to fix in the game.
Be thankful the game kept & keeps developing, instead fading to black after a catastrophic release and wait for things to come.

Further more you are talking about things you just read and never tested yourself, patience is a virtue.

Finally you cant satisfy each player, this isnt a perfect world we are living in.
So if things should really happen that bad, as you paint it, I would look forward to take the challenge in fighting vs a plane that "shall" perform better.

Sissyfiregirls or Luftwhiners .... so what?
At the multiplayer end, a server admin or map creator is responsible to balance sides.

[Kwiatek]

Hey im blind or most needed data are show here in these topic? Only thing 1C need to do is to check performacne of these planes in CLoD and then adjusted it to RL data

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20110

[Nephris]

Kwiatek dont get me wrong and this is for sure no offend, but I know you from Il2 times in Ultrapack and I got the deep impression that you are trying to push your finds for whatever there comes.I really have deep respect for your work and time you put into it.
An affinity to red planes was very obvious through your development and I am sure you can remember the discussions in the Ultrapack forums about FM which were sometimes more than hot.
I fly both sides so I actually dont care, as there will always be a plane for me I am satisfied with and I like to take the challenge even in an unbalance mix (e.g. vs a Spit 9 in Il2)

Those copied documents are fine for sure, but it is not the evangelium.

Do you suppose the developers did no research and adjusted the FM from the hip and just those documents posted here are the correct and not doubtable ones? This would be indeed pretentious.

Besides that, hold your breath until the beta patch got public and test it yourself to make a decent statement. Each disussion before is just heating things up for nothing.