Friday Update, April 6, 2012

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

I beleive what is unaccounted for on these forums is the " silent majority". I read the update thread twice a month maybe, less as time goes on.As a cosumer I view this this sim as" competing" for my entertainment dollars. There is little entertainment value in the on-line experience that crashes constantly , off line is not much better with the constant freezes. I would venture a guess that the majority of would be consumers do not even post, they just move on to other interests or forms of entertainment.
The current state of this sim combined with the choice for the next (BOM) installment has left most folks i converse with looking for other aerial combat sims.
The graphics and damage model are light years ahead of IL-2 1946, but so are some of the other flight sims on the market. As for the potential, actions always speak louder than words.

The silent majority aren't so silent, they just post here because this forum is just too horrible for words. Go look other places and you'll see a lot of flight sim communities. At this point the CloD community outside of this forum consists of making fun of how terrible CloD is and laughing at how so many of you banana forums people sing and dance and clap and act like the dev team just handed you a puppy and a bag of coke when they show you a picture of a beautifully rendered fence post. Meanwhile, the game sits in this broken, unfun state over a year after launch.

IL-2 is basically the Duke Nukem Forever of flight sims. We waited years for an IL-2 sequel and got something laughable. The only difference is nobody is still defending DNF over a year after launch.

[Wolf_Rider]

I guess you're just helping to make it (in your words) horrible then...

[klem]

Originally Posted by EvilJoven

The silent majority aren't so silent, they just post here because this forum is just too horrible for words. Go look other places and you'll see a lot of flight sim communities. At this point the CloD community outside of this forum consists of making fun of how terrible CloD is and laughing at how so many of you banana forums people sing and dance and clap and act like the dev team just handed you a puppy and a bag of coke when they show you a picture of a beautifully rendered fence post. Meanwhile, the game sits in this broken, unfun state over a year after launch.

IL-2 is basically the Duke Nukem Forever of flight sims. We waited years for an IL-2 sequel and got something laughable. The only difference is nobody is still defending DNF over a year after launch.

The acid test for me is simply this: while TD's IL-2 1946 4.11 is a huge improvement on the IL-2 1946 left us by 1C/Maddox Games I still find myself preferring to fly CoD. It just feels better, even with the stunted FMs. Now, why is that if CoD is "so terrible"?

Take away all the incidental stuff like the GUI which doesn't affect the actual flying, fly on line (I know that's not a preference for some), take the excellent support of the community servers like ATAG, live with the FMs for now because a Rotol Hurricane gives me a fighting chance against the 109s and restart the game each sortie. Not perfect by a very long country mile but I still prefer it to IL-2 '46. No, it isn't the BoB yet but its very enjoyable.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

After tonight's group flying, I will again say that the crashes are definitely the MAJOR issue with regard to my enjoyment of the game.

Everything else, at this point, is gravy and good will towards customers.

Tonight could have been much much better save for the launcher.exe crashes.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by klem

Take away all the incidental stuff like the GUI which doesn't affect the actual flying, fly on line (I know that's not a preference for some), take the excellent support of the community servers like ATAG, live with the FMs for now because a Rotol Hurricane gives me a fighting chance against the 109s and restart the game each sortie. Not perfect by a very long country mile but I still prefer it to IL-2 '46. No, it isn't the BoB yet but its very enjoyable.

Yep. I cant even play 1946 anymore.

Originally Posted by EvilJoven

The silent majority aren't so silent, they just don't post here because this forum is just too horrible for words. Go look at other places and you'll see a lot of flight sim communities. At this point the CloD community outside of this forum consists of making fun of how terrible CloD is and laughing at how so many of you banana forums people sing and dance and clap and act like the dev team just handed you a puppy and a bag of coke when they show you a picture of a beautifully rendered fence post. Meanwhile, the game sits in this broken, unfun state over a year after launch.

IL-2 is basically the Duke Nukem Forever of flight sims. We waited years for an IL-2 sequel and got something laughable. The only difference is nobody is still defending DNF over a year after launch.

I'm a member on a forum with 160,000+ members, and there is an ongoing CLOD thread. The typical discussions are... (in order of most coverage).

1. "What's wrong with the people on the banana forums?"
2. "Did you see what they asked for? Who would even care about that in a flight sim?"
3. What are the Dev's thinking? Do they think the 1C forums represent the majority of fans?
4. When are they going to add some content, make CO-OP creation easier, etc?
5. WHAT!?! Battle of Moscow? Are they ever going to finish Cliffs of Dover (the game content, not the engine).

Every time someone new posts in that thread asking, "Hey, should I pick up CLOD?" They invariable end up getting DSC-A10, or Rise of Flight, or one of the other flight sims out there. I think that Cliffs of Dover is great for the flight sim Genre because so many people either get fed up with it, or are told not to buy it that they end up getting a different game instead.

And it's not like that thread is full of arcade players. There are actual real pilots, people who do vatsim in FSX, and people who can start up the Blackshark or A-10 without having to once refer to any manual. They all agree, CLOD is not fun as is, and it has nothing to do with crashes or FPS.

Then again they're not the kind of people to "scream like a little girl" when they see the window framss in the new buildings.

[addman]

Originally Posted by speculum jockey

I'm a member on a forum with 160,000+ members, and there is an ongoing CLOD thread. The typical discussions are... (in order of most coverage).

1. "What's wrong with the people on the banana forums?"
2. "Did you see what they asked for? Who would even care about that in a flight sim?"
3. What are the Dev's thinking? Do they think the 1C forums represent the majority of fans?
4. When are they going to add some content, make CO-OP creation easier, etc?
5. WHAT!?! Battle of Moscow? Are they ever going to finish Cliffs of Dover (the game content, not the engine).

Every time someone new posts in that thread asking, "Hey, should I pick up CLOD?" They invariable end up getting DSC-A10, or Rise of Flight, or one of the other flight sims out there. I think that Cliffs of Dover is great for the flight sim Genre because so many people either get fed up with it, or are told not to buy it that they end up getting a different game instead.

And it's not like that thread is full of arcade players. There are actual real pilots, people who do vatsim in FSX, and people who can start up the Blackshark or A-10 without having to once refer to any manual. They all agree, CLOD is not fun as is, and it has nothing to do with crashes or FPS.

Then again they're not the kind of people to "scream like a little girl" when they see the window framss in the new buildings.

Good post Speculum and I agree, the banana is a separate entity all together from the rest of the sim community. Like an isolated island where animals have developed "differently" from species found on major continents. Oh! also regarding my post you mentioned at the end there, it's the second time I've had to explain I was being sarcastic, I guess sarcasm doesn't translate so well onto internet forums eh?

Originally Posted by addman

Good post Speculum and I agree, the banana is a separate entity all together from the rest of the sim community. Like an isolated island where animals have developed "differently" from species found on major continents. Oh! also regarding my post you mentioned at the end there, it's the second time I've had to explain I was being sarcastic, I guess sarcasm doesn't translate so well onto internet forums eh?

It's just such a perfect quote. I couldn't help but use it!

Originally Posted by furbs

My sqd mates agree, we have all brought CLOD but dont play it, we all WANT to play but the non existent BOB content and problems are just too much trouble and were not really interested in DFS's, we want online wars and COOP's.

Were all waiting for CLOD to become a BOB simulation, at the moment its just not, its a online small number, low level engagement over the sea, with BOB planes.

Exactly! Even trying the single-player campaign feels like a random quick mission against the AI. There is nothing to draw me in or hold my attention. As for online dogfights, once you've been jumped by a plane flying through trees, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

The fans that would make this game a success, critical and financial are begging for some manner of SEOW, an online war, anything that makes every aircraft that you lose/shoot down matter. That's what this game and community is asking for. People say, "pffft! Go back to your FPS". Right now CLOD online is a first person shooter! Hop into a random battle, last one standing wins! There is no tracking of info, no difference made to the overall picture if you do well or not, just a score card while the next random dogfight loads.

[furbs]

My sqd mates agree, we have all brought CLOD but dont play it, we all WANT to play but the non existent BOB content and problems are just too much trouble and were not really interested in DFS's, we want online wars and COOP's.

Were all waiting for CLOD to become a BOB simulation, at the moment its just not, its a online small number, low level engagement over the sea, with BOB planes.

[kendo65]

What has everyone got against fence posts anyway..? Had an unfortunate accident a few years ago maybe?

Seriously though (or as seriously as I can muster over this) anyone who can't understand that the point was not about fence posts but about the overall effect created in producing a realistic looking Russian village (in a thread that specifically asked for feedback about realistic Russian villages) is either pretty thick or has spent so much time being a professional cynical old fart they no longer know how to be anything else.

Originally Posted by kendo65

What has everyone got against fence posts anyway..? Had an unfortunate accident a few years ago maybe?

Seriously though (or as seriously as I can muster over this) anyone who can't understand that the point was not about fence posts but about the overall effect created in producing a realistic looking Russian village (in a thread that specifically asked for feedback about realistic Russian villages) is either pretty thick or has spent so much time being a professional cynical old fart they no longer know how to be anything else.

I forgot to add that to the list,

6. "Ways the Devs distract their fans with inconsequential garbage from the fact that CLOD will never be finished." (the game, not the engine).