Toe Break Set-up Problem

[Osprey]

For allied you can only set 1 of the 2 on the toe brakes, then it's digital, just like 1946. It needs fixing, it sucks.

[Artist]

Originally Posted by Osprey

For allied you can only set 1 of the 2 on the toe brakes, then it's digital, just like 1946. It needs fixing, it sucks.

No, it doesn't, Osprey. At least for the Spitfire Mk IIa I know that there wasn't any toe breaking. It was a lever on the spade-stick. And the differential breaking was done by applying left or right rudder. So assign a button on your joystick, use rudder and watch the differential break pressure on the gauge at the lower left...

Artist

[Osprey]

I know how it's meant to work, I'm just saying it's digital - full on or off.

Have you found an analogue method?

[WTE_Galway]

Actually IL2_1946 braking was not "digital".

If you assigned the brake function to a slider in 1946 you got variable brake pressure with differential pressure controlled by the pedals. The slider controlled the overall strength of braking and the pedals distributed it left/right.

What you could not do in 1946 is assign two brake pedals, hence no differential toe braking.

BACK ON TOPIC

The toe braking was an important advantage of the axis planes, especially on rough fields, so implementing it for allied planes would be giving the allied side an unhistorical advantage.

[Sokol1]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

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What you could not do in 1946 is assign two brake pedals, hence no differential toe braking.

With a exploit in config.ini or using CH Mannager one is able to use "toe brakes" in any plane of IL-2 1946.

Sokol1

[Artist]

Osprey,

Originally Posted by Osprey

I know how it's meant to work, I'm just saying it's digital - full on or off.
Have you found an analogue method?

Yes, digitally analog or analogous digital: If you assign brake to a (joystick/keyboard)key, then that key increases braking power proportionally to how long you press it. Watch the gauge! What I do is "tapping" the key. Works just fine for me.

Could be that there's a difference between keyboard and joystick concerning the repeat rate (I have no idea if the repeat rate set in the windows keyboard configuration affects joystick buttons), so they may differ in their actual braking effect.

Haven't found a reliable source on the real life spitfire yet.

[Osprey]

I'll try and look that up in the Morgan and Shacklady book.

I think I've been misunderstood. I'm not trying to get toe braking like on the axis aircraft but a brake control which is not on or off, ie the harder I press, the stronger the braking effect. I am well aware that this control was on the spade but the fact that I will assign this to my right toe brake on my controls is up to me.

[Artist]

Hello Osprey,

no offence meant, none taken.

Hunting for evidence I came across the following, so far:

"17. Wheel brakes.—The brake lever is fitted on the control column spade grip and a catch for retaining it in the on position for parking is fitted below the lever pivot."
(SPITFIRE IX, XI & XVI PILOTS NOTES, Page 12)

"Passing Duxford`s Land Warfare Hall brakes ON/OFF, change hands - throttle hand to stick, stick hand to undercarriage. Lever Down “one thousand, two thousand, three thousand”, undercarriage lever out of the gate"
(Description by Howard Cook, flying a Spitfire Mk V around the year 2001)

"The pneumatic brakes are not brilliant but, once you’re at ease with their ineffectiveness, you come to love the technique of combining footwork directional demand with pressure required being supplied by one or two fingers on your right hand squeezing the lever on the control column"
(Nigel Lamp flying a Spitfire Mk VIII)

"The pneumatic brakes, applied with a bicycle-like brake lever at the top of the stick, are feather light and very effective." and "Oh, and easy, very easy, on the brakes."
(Description by Mike Potter, flying a Spitfire)

Seems kind of inconclusive to me...

Artist

[Sokol1]

squeezing the lever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...HveCsos#t=612s

The source of high-pressure air is controlled by the brake lever on the spade control grip, or stick. The rudder pedals modulate the distribution of pressure to the left and right main wheel brakes. If the pedals are even, equal braking is applied to both sides; as one rudder pedal is applied then more brake pressure is fed to that side. Strength of application is delivered by the hand lever on the grip.

http://www.airspacemag.com/history-o...-Spitfire.html

To SWERVE when taxiing out, use the RUDDER PEDALS to control the distribution of pressure to the right and left wheel brakes, i.e. - even pressure for going straight and uneven for swerving from side to side. The power of braking is controlled by the BRAKE LEVER on the control grip.

EASE the BRAKE LEVER ON and OFF GENTLY as the Spitfire rumbles along the grass.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/arc...p?t-72714.html

???

Sokol1