how are these 109s turns 180 with out penalties?

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by Jugdriver

The 109 has the ability to dictate the fight from an equal energy start against a Spit 1, 1a and even the Rotol (but you have to be very careful against the Rotol as a mistake will most likely get you shot down). That however is not to say that you can just jump in a 109 and whack Spits and Hurris at will. The 109 has to be flown with discipline and extended turn fights leave you extremely vulnerable. When I fly the 109 on ATAG I tend to stick with quick bounces and maintain my energy and avoid prolonged turning duels, whereas when I am flying the Rotol I try and get the 109 driver to engage in a turn fight as this levels the playing field quickly.

JD
AKA_MattE

I find the above pretty amusing. Not because its wrong or something like that, but because its almost word-by-word the same tactical advice as 109 pilots were given in 1940:

"Before turning fights with the Bf 109 E type, it must be noted in every case, that all three foreign planes have significantly smaller turning circles and turning times. An attack on the opponent as well as disengagement can only be accomplished on the basis of existing superiority in performance."

from tactical recommendation based on flight trials at E'Stelle Rechlin, August 1940.
http://www.kurfurst.org/Tactical_tri...g_Aug1940.html