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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 03-22-2012, 11:39 PM
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Instead it's an hard question... I honestly don't know.

Do you know the answer?

Is it written somewhere?


Anyway you don't release a product in that condition. Because this is business, not "art". Imo the current developers are not totally guilty. I think it's a management's issue, having similar issues myself in the past.

Instead if you look at the lack of communication then IMO it's both 1C's and ubi's objective fault.
Just wait the day guys will start complaining directly to the publishers... that can be the end for CloD. But we're not so bad and we limit the complaining to this message board.

SO.... UBI named the sim Cliffs of Dover, much to the upset of Maddox Games and the sim (western version) was force released by UBI. The original title for the sim was; "Storm of War: the Battle of Brittain".

You (et al) keep on complaining about lack of communication... fair enough - why should they, when greeted with hostility.

You (at al) keep on banging on about business and "management issue"... well good again. Who creates the sim and who publishes the sim?

and further good for you (et al) for just limiting the whining to this board... though, is it getting you (et al) anywhere?
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:38 AM
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SO.... UBI named the sim Cliffs of Dover, much to the upset of Maddox Games and the sim (western version) was force released by UBI. The original title for the sim was; "Storm of War: the Battle of Brittain".
Was Ubi the publisher in Russia too, or is it 1C? I remember that it was released at start, and not in the Western market (as for the US market...)
And where did you read about that forced release?

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You (et al) keep on complaining about lack of communication... fair enough - why should they, when greeted with hostility.

You (at al) keep on banging on about business and "management issue"... well good again. Who creates the sim and who publishes the sim?

and further good for you (et al) for just limiting the whining to this board... though, is it getting you (et al) anywhere?
Do you read hostility in my words?

The publisher needs to be aware of the state of the product, because of a matter of his professional image. Ubisoft did a hole in the water with SH5 too, and infact look at their image: it's an hated publisher and many customers avoid their games (not only since the release of CloD and SH5).
I found it strange that people kept asking at them about the game and they didn't know anything...

About the whining and complaining: I'm totally for it, both as customer and developer. Constructive whining is needed to improve the product (no one is perfect). I remember some days after the release there were guys loving the sound of the engines (the old IL2's one)... why should they improve the sound engine then? Why should they avoid the "engine radar" if nobody is complaining about it (and I did a lot: it was one of my battle horses )

We don't know if they are reading the message board... if they read then they could at least acknowledge the requests/complains. If not then keep whining to so that the problem stays alive and it's not forgotten. Whining does not kill anyone and there is always the "ignore" function that so few are actually using.

Of course sometimes I end with feeding the trolls like today... but I've had some fun: if they are not banned than lets exploit them.

This is one thing I don't understand: attack the offensive posters, report them, its' ok... but let the people complain if they want, just ignore them.

IMO whining about the whiners is really damaging the forum... Live and let live.
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Old 03-23-2012, 07:08 AM
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Was Ubi the publisher in Russia too, or is it 1C?

Do some reaserch, find out, get your facts... verify for yourself


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The publisher needs to be aware of the state of the product,

Publisher calls (defines) the state of what it is they are publishing.


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About the whining and complaining: I'm totally for it, both as customer and developer. Constructive whining is needed to improve the product (no one is perfect).

Agreed that constructive critiscism is good (I assume you mean critiscism, yes?) but it is atm, is harrassment - pure and simple


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We don't know if they are reading the message board... if they read then they could at least acknowledge the requests/complains.

why should anyone "ancknowledge" anything after the vindictive which has been hurled their way??


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now, there's a thought... try practising that one
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The FM of Take On Helicopters in this new patch is really great...

I'm really divided! Will get "Hinds" DLC today!
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Old 03-23-2012, 09:09 AM
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The FM of Take On Helicopters in this new patch is really great...

I'm really divided! Will get "Hinds" DLC today!
I'm thinking about that one, too. DI's Hind was a sim I enjoyed very much, and beside the IL2 the only Russian hardware I really like.
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Sure... You begin and I'll follow.
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Do some reaserch, find out, get your facts... verify for yourself
http://en.gamescope.ru/games/il-2-st...s-of-dover-en/

This link seems to state that 1c is the russian publisher... so how can Ubi have forced the release in Russia too, as you say?

And anyway can you prove me that the release was forced?

Or am I the only one with the duty to prove what I state?
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you were given advice on that earlier...
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