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03-21-2012, 10:05 AM
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03-21-2012, 03:43 PM
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 let's do some rough maths: 47bln for 62mln inhabitants means that yearly Defence cost per citizen in the United Kingdom is some £750. 61mln for 3000 people is a staggering £20,000 per head!
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03-21-2012, 04:25 PM
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03-21-2012, 06:30 PM
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Regarding what the Ilanders want. The British did not stop one secod to ponder on what the people allready living there wnated whnen they kicked them out...
The principle of self determination is exclusive for indigenous population, NOT, tranplanted colonial population. No Islander grategrandfather was born on the islands, period. Every one of them comes from a british subjec familly. So the principle of self determination of the people does not aplly to them. It was Argentinian territory with a flag and a governor.. we do not claim to inherit it from spain, we claim it was populated and ruled by Argentina when the british took it by force. Putting it plainlly: If I steal yopur car, does it make it mine if my kid rides on it for long enough time? Or is it still your car? Same thing here. The onlly reason the islands still are a British ocupied territory is illigal use of force. The whole world sees that, hell even the US abstained, instead of voting aggainst the UN resolutions..... Even the british people say it (acording to the latest polls).... The war was a desperate atempt used by a drunk to remian in power... and gave the perfect opportunituy to a power drunk lady to stay in power, and oh yes the good ole British Navy a chance to get a little more budget... Still it was our right to claim what is rightfully ours. This is the same case of the owner of a house being sued by the burgler for getting hit in the head with a bat, INISDE the house, of course and with the families DVD in his hands....... Regarding the combatants, Well both sides displayed honnor and courage and served their countries like true heroes... allways the military pays for the incompetence of their governments... Both sides fighting for what they belive in. My respect for them. British and Argentinians. Last edited by Baco; 03-21-2012 at 06:34 PM.
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#5
03-21-2012, 06:42 PM
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No regarthing teh air war... No side WON. Teh British never ever detented Air Superiority. Target were being hit hard from the air till teh last day.. now in any military book that can not be considered Air superiority. If the enemy attacks with impunity, well, it is a problem, right?
So I belive the Air war is more inclined to the argentinians, becouse of the amount of damage they inflcited on the task force. Dammage unprecedented in a modern war, and not surpased till our days. NATO ship defense policy changed, the phalanx system was developed by studiying the vulnerabilities of the "state of the art" Anti Air frigates of 1982. suposedlly inespugnable in 1982... Well that sounds like a victory to me...at least a mopral one  Argentinian fighters did not have the range and endurance to fight the Harriers. Besides the Mirages are High Altitude interceptors, and the harriers are low level multipurpose aircrafts... of course the Harriers never climbed to meet the Mirages.. and the few times the Mirages tried to tangle at lo altitude ir order to atract the CAPs to them to aloud the bombers to reach their targets, they payed the price. But it was a calculated risk, to atrack, the CAPs... Later the British did not engage the Mirages and decoy tactics didn´t work any more. The other piont was that the Magic 1 missiles we had were crap. They would not track and engage over 70% of the time (the Shrafir was onlly marginally better), so it was determined that it was pointless to try to engage the enemy. Our best tactic was to drop bombs and get out... Last edited by Baco; 03-21-2012 at 06:46 PM.
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03-21-2012, 07:09 PM
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  I suppose this wasn't hand ball either 
Last edited by KG26_Alpha; 03-21-2012 at 08:40 PM.
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03-21-2012, 07:28 PM
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03-21-2012, 10:16 PM
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The R550 MAGIC I was in fact a very good missile that actually had better "inside" the turn performance than the AIM9L. Its Auto search and lock capabilities were also pretty impressive. The seeker head was cooled and was from a detection and lock on point of view as good as the AIM9L. In the case of the FAA Mirages only the last seven IIIEA's delivered in 1980 were R550 capable. The other Matra missile carried by the all Mirages was the R530 carried on the centreline was a real crapola missile. As I said earlier this missile had no end of fusing issues and employment was quite complex requiring a lot of radar work. Even after lock on there was up to 7 second delay (Harmonisation of the radar PRF to the missile) before it could be launched. The R530 was never designed for AA combat ok against High level bombers or non manoeuvring targets. In addition the radar version was pretty much unusable if the missile had to be fired through "the ground line" .... i.e.shoot down shot where the Firers Altitude was less than the range to target. The Shaffir was only carried by the Daggers and was considered "useless" by the Dagger pilots in post conflict interviews. In short the Shaffir was about on par with early generation Sidewinders and absolutely no match for the AIM9L. I followed this conflict with great professional interest as at the time I was flying Mirage III's in the RAAF. We operated with both the R550 and R530K. Later on the AIM9L on another type. A year after the conflict Sea Harriers and Mirages met in exercises off the Australian coast. These were dedicated Air to Air engagements, both sides with GCI and similar in terms of range fuel issues. The Mirage in this environment acquitted itself exceptionally well with better than even outcome.... though notional kills of course Given the conditions and range issues and lack of navigational capability the FAA had to work with I have nothing but admiration for the FAA pilots effort. Similarly from the RN side the tactics they applied to the task in hand were brilliant. They were fortunate to have the worlds best all round AA missile at the time in the AIM9L. The Sea Harrier and the GR3 were the only aeroplanes that could be used. In a WOT IF situation one could only wonder how dramatically worse things would have been for the FAA if the RN could have deployed F4K's an aeroplane infinitely superior to the Sea Harrier in just about every respect. Last edited by IvanK; 03-21-2012 at 10:26 PM.
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03-21-2012, 07:04 PM
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They were attacked by 300 Scotsmen, so it's no surprise that they eventually ran for their lives. When the jocks got the upper hand the Argies ordered their own Arty to fire on their position. Quote:
For the record, and I can't stand Thatcher so I'm no biased, it was her husband who was a drunk - she was always sober even if there was a big party in town. I know this for a fact through a relative who was high up in the Police force when she was in power.
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03-23-2012, 02:03 AM
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Big mistake here. The 5º Infantry Battalion was conformed by 70% conscrip soldiers. They wasn´t a elite unit (The diferences between others units, it´s that this was prepared for this type of combat) The Scot Guard Battalion (300 man? Here the Battalion are of 500 man aprox) fight against a part of NACAR company of 5º I. Battalion. They fight againts two sections of 5º Marines, and 1 section of the RI4 (Army, those tooke parte in goose green battle and retreat to tumbledown). The scotish fight against 100-150 mans.
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