MW50 -Secondary effects were cooling of the engine .

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Without copying and pasting...

I would like to see an original flight manual of the La 7 or La 5 FN and the "Flight test".

I never saw one.

That's the point.
Ask for evidence ... Over 10 years ... I see little evidence, for many planes.

I do not want insult Realy.
I want to learn.

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http://www.avsimrus.com/f/documents-...al--29518.html

[IceFire]

You know, away from these forums people are getting on with life and enjoying the game quite a bit. I was having a blast so far this weekend. I don't see fewer and fewer flying... people have said that for years and yet many servers I frequent online are busier than ever.

I've been watching this thread hoping for some interesting information, but aside from the La-5FN manual, I haven't seen much from the personal attacks and people typing (yelling?) in very large print.

It'd be refreshing to have less of the yelling and more positive discussion. IMHO.

[Whacker]

Originally Posted by HundertneunGustav

i dont see the insult to the devs?
and no...

"and you wonder why noone flies any more" is a pretty clear insult.

he does not need to show his sources to please anyone.
much like TD does not have an obligation to show its sources.

Without showing sources all one is doing is complaining. TD doesn't have to show us their sources, which is true. The makers of the game did so under circumstances that aren't available to us and likely never will. That doesn't mean they are wrong at all, or right. But the burden of proof is on the requester, period. Otherwise, it's just someone complaining.

you fly what you get, or go mod.

100% agree. This is why I fly all the major mods, because they all expand on the game and offer different things.

why less and less people fly?
more along the lines:
why more and more old hands leave the banana forums... the atmosphere in here is shafty at best, with red whiners and blue whiners clinging onto numbers instead of flying...
Egoes instead of smiles and relaxed people...

I can't talk to the forums or atmosphere, it's been an interesting combination of laid back and whining and demanding. I think it's ridiculous though that threads like these pop up with someone making grand claims about some historical "fact" (MW50 use for so and so didn't cause the engine to catch fire) without providing any evidence. Without evidence to back up claims and prove that facts are facts, it's just wasted breath and complaining.

So I go back to my original post in here, and what I've seen others say countless times. What HARD data with REFERENCES does anyone have to back up these claims about MW50 operating procedures. "Use the brain" and other nonsense is just that... nonsense.

Originally Posted by Mustang

Without copying and pasting...

I would like to see an original flight manual of the La 7 or La 5 FN and the "Flight test".

I never saw one.

Which has absolutely nothing at all to do with your topic here, MW50 operation in the 109's.

That's the point.
Ask for evidence ... Over 10 years ... I see little evidence, for many planes.

I do not want insult Realy.
I want to learn.

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So you just admitted to being guilty of what you see... Lots of claims with no evidence. But you're still demanding a change based on what you see as factual.

The burden of proof is on you mate. Show us some manufacturer's testing results to show that's how the DB605's really performed in the field when MW50 was used. Show us some surviving pilot's accounts that all match up. Any hard evidence. Anything less is just pointless conjecture, for every "use the brain" "facts" that you can come up with, I can come up with half a dozen other "facts" based on what I think.

Originally Posted by IceFire

I've been watching this thread hoping for some interesting information, but aside from the La-5FN manual, I haven't seen much from the personal attacks and people typing (yelling?) in very large print.

It'd be refreshing to have less of the yelling and more positive discussion. IMHO.

+1

[Whacker]

Had a sudden epiphany.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=29971

Want a change? Great, follow that format. Post some hard data that the devs can look at and go from there. Otherwise, this thread is a pointless exercise.