Inaccurate performance data for BOB fighters in COD comparing to RL data

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by Glider

2 Speed prop in the BOB is there any evidence to support this statement?

yes but you'd need to read something longer than an extracted sheet of paper quoted on a certain website... a book

May I suggest reading Badder story or an old cheap book right on the subject (I might hve got it at somthing like 9£ in the 90's at London Foyle's) : Hurricane versus Bf109

the Osprey series is also not tht bad. But I am sry : books they are!

[NZtyphoon]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

yes but you'd need to read something longer than an extracted sheet of paper quoted on a certain website... a book

May I suggest reading Badder story or an old cheap book right on the subject (I might hve got it at somthing like 9£ in the 90's at London Foyle's) : Hurricane versus Bf109

the Osprey series is also not tht bad. But I am sry : books they are!

Not that there was much point in responding to this inanity, but read http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchi...0-%202888.html and

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchi...0-%202891.html

"De Havillands then had 400 Hurricane conversion sets in hand and expected to convert a total of 700, after which constant speed airscrews would be embodied in the new aircraft. The worst of the rush was over, six days before the Luftwaffe's mass attacks began, and a chance diary entry records that the company was already busy on another urgent job, of fitting airscrews to 24 Hurricanes to be sent at once to the Middle East!"

Or Morgan and Shacklady, which says almost exactly the same thing.

[Glider]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

yes but you'd need to read something longer than an extracted sheet of paper quoted on a certain website... a book

May I suggest reading Badder story or an old cheap book right on the subject (I might hve got it at somthing like 9£ in the 90's at London Foyle's) : Hurricane versus Bf109

the Osprey series is also not tht bad. But I am sry : books they are!

Books will do fine and I will look them up. At a guess and its only a guess, the fighting mentioned happpened before the conversion took place in late June as the Luftwaffe obviously didn't stop and wait for the RAF to make the conversion

In general offical records are better. I am sure if I look I will find a book that says the earth is flat and Rome was built in a day.

PS all the sheets extracted from a certain website as you put it, I checked in the NA for context and completeness before quoting them. Where possible I try to check everything I quote or at least find two sources. However I do agree with you, it would be nice if others did the same.

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by Glider

Books will do fine and I will look them up. At a guess and its only a guess, the fighting mentioned happpened before the conversion took place in late June as the Luftwaffe obviously didn't stop and wait for the RAF to make the conversion

In general offical records are better. I am sure if I look I will find a book that says the earth is flat and Rome was built in a day.

PS all the sheets extracted from a certain website as you put it, I checked in the NA for context and completeness before quoting them. Where possible I try to check everything I quote or at least find two sources. However I do agree with you, it would be nice if others did the same.

Ok. Sry for overplaying my irony

[Al Schlageter]

Pips might have surfaced. http://forum.axishistory.com/viewforum.php?f=69

This Pips is from Ozland

[Glider]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Ok. Sry for overplaying my irony

Don't worry I was tempted to write

I am sure if I look I will find a book that says the earth is flat and Rome was built in a day, or even one that showed a shortage of 100 Octane

Damn, now look what I have done

[Seadog]

I'm still waiting for someone to post data showing that RAF FC flew even a single Hurricane or Spitfire combat sortie during the BofB using 87 octane fuel. Again, if the RAF FC was flying large numbers of sorties during the BofB using 87 octane fuel, it should be easy to find historical accounts by RAF pilots or in combat reports stating that they flew into combat with 87 octane fuel during the BofB. Yet no such reports or accounts have ever come to light...

So far no takers on my challenge.

It's time for the RAF FC BofB 87 octane myth to die; it has been thoroughly busted.

[Bounder!]

Originally Posted by Seadog

I'm still waiting for someone to post data showing that RAF FC flew even a single Hurricane or Spitfire combat sortie during the BofB using 87 octane fuel. Again, if the RAF FC was flying large numbers of sorties during the BofB using 87 octane fuel, it should be easy to find historical accounts by RAF pilots or in combat reports stating that they flew into combat with 87 octane fuel during the BofB. Yet no such reports or accounts have ever come to light...

So far no takers on my challenge.

It's time for the RAF FC BofB 87 octane myth to die; it has been thoroughly busted.

+1

[TomcatViP]

You shld write comics. You will hve an huge success.

It has been alrdy explained and can be found in many documents.

I myself illustrated this meaning right her ein this thread by linking to a 1954 FLIGHT articles detailing the evolution of teh Merlin eng during the war with details of wich octane was used.

There is also a second article of FLIGHT that I linked about a respective study of a He111 engine and the Merlin where teh author explained that the Brits eng discovered that the remaining trace of fuel found inside the studied German engine showed that the LW probably was using a fuel with better octane grade than what RAF was using at the time.The article clearly says that it was 92 octane in the German bomber.

More over I hve a thousand times explained and showed that there is no sense to believe that 100 octane will provide a tremendous augmentation of pow in an eng that was not specifically built for that fuel.

Here is a modern example with Turbo Tech (no eng power needed to drive the compression process) : http://wn.com/octane_rating?orderby=..._time=all_time

[EDIT] :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQghB...layer_embedded

As I hve alrdy says I don't know what to write more. What 's for sure is that I am loosing my time at a ... 100% rate !

[Seadog]

Originally Posted by Seadog

I'm still waiting for someone to post data showing that RAF FC flew even a single Hurricane or Spitfire combat sortie during the BofB using 87 octane fuel. Again, if the RAF FC was flying large numbers of sorties during the BofB using 87 octane fuel, it should be easy to find historical accounts by RAF pilots or in combat reports stating that they flew into combat with 87 octane fuel during the BofB. Yet no such reports or accounts have ever come to light...

So far no takers on my challenge.

It's time for the RAF FC BofB 87 octane myth to die; it has been thoroughly busted.

I'm still waiting for someone to post something proving that at least one Spitfire/Hurricane BofB combat sortie was flown with 87 octane fuel...