I'll just LOVE it NOW

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Originally Posted by Tvrdi

My superhero. Im not in ROF boat. I gave em hard time when deserved. I know its DX9 but it looks very nice dont you think? Yes it had problems with stutters (on some rigs) but they solved that in less than a year (do-you-copy?) ROF still has some very advanced features which CLOD doesnt, like dynamic cloud shadows, realistic sun glare, realistic rain drops, much better DOT system (cant cheat with lower res), posibility to extinguish engine fire in dive and so many things which i cant rem right now.

Now now tvrdi, it took ROF 2 years to fix the CTD online. I'm sure you remember the coined word "I've been roffed" where you'd randomly lose 5-6 guys every single time a AI character spawned due to a rof.exe crash. I'm sure you also realize it took ROF 2.5 years before the 1st plane had an FM review as well? The sun in ROF looks much less realistic than it does in Cliffs to me btw. Cliffs also had moving clouds, dynamic cloud shadows, and clouds that even changed shape at release. ROF didn't have moving clouds till after Cliffs did and they still don't change shape. They are static objects that move across the sky, while in cliffs the clouds slowly change shape, form, appear, and dissipate.

See here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN7TOKuTP2k

And don't go into bad code. Of course there's people that like different things and your mileage on certain things may vary, but there's isn't a flight sim out there that has the game engine close to anything like IL2 (new or old). You couldn't place couple 100 big objects in a row in a mission in a row in ROF and fly it, (actually the mission probably wouldn't even load - it would error out) let alone fly it smoothly. Now this isn't to say that there are some obvious performance problems with cliffs as it stands right now. But as a fiddler in the FMB, I can go to town and click away and build w/e I want and the game doesn't care. I think squirrel (when screwing around testing this) placed 20,000 3d trenches along England, (basically until his finger got tired) then flew next to them in amazement.

The point is, once the performance is all sorted, what you are left with is a game engine similar to the old IL2 - which is unsurpassed by any other sim ever made. It's sad to some (not me) that these guys don't really work on the SP campaigns or any of that jazz, but it's because if you want one they'll give you all the tools to make it however complex and immersive you like. That's why you can code anything into a mission that's part of MS's NET framework, amongst a million other possibilities. As a fiddler or a person that gets into the "guts" of these games, there's literally no comparison. Not at all.

It's similar to walking into a house that's gorgeous with all this fancy furniture, then finding out while you can walk around, you can't touch anything. Where as IL2COD is like walking into an unorganized messy house, then realizing that you can do w/e you want in there. The 1st scenario is all bright and flashy at 1st, but then you realize just how limited you are in the scope of things. While the 2nd, your imagination is the limit.

Ask anyone is ROF, and I mean anyone, to try and make a map like this to race online. Then, if you take the time to place just 1/10 of the amount of objects and see what happens when you load the mission, you'll see just where I'm coming from. This is a map someone hosts from their home pc btw. This isn't SP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdOqd...eature=related

And btw, every single thing you see in the map besides the water is an object in the FMB. (not the grey ground texture though) Anything from the mountains, the ramps, to well, everything is there to play with and do w/e you like. Take a gander at the ME in ROF and you'll probably go. ..."oh"

With that said, ROF is good at what is does. It's a nice dog fight simulator, but without the ability to even have a trench as an object in it's mission editor (kinda a big thing in WWI wouldn't you think?) or the ability to place more than a couple hundred objects in a MP mission without the mission going kaput, that's all it will ever be. In IL2, the sky is the limit, once the base engine is all sorted.

So please do watch and read. This type of stuff is exactly why I stand in line with my pom poms eagerly awaiting for what's next.