Bomber boys - bbc one

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

I'm not sure what we are arguing about either, everybody agrees intentionally targeting civvies is bad, but I think it is being suggested it was a one sided affair i.e. only the British did it........which we also all know is utter BS.

it's just a shame Hitler didn't surrender....would have saved alot of lives.

oh don't be daft Bongo, we're not saying only the British did it, what we're saying is that the celebration of the men who created and perpetrated such policies is out of place, and poses a questionable double standard, period.

Uh and I prefer your mugshot than this new profile pic btw

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

oh don't be daft Bongo, we're not saying only the British did it, what we're saying is that the celebration of the men who created and perpetrated such policies is out of place, and poses a questionable double standard, period.

Uh and I prefer your mugshot than this new profile pic btw

But I will have to say again that the British SIMPLY DO NOT celebrate Harris.

yes I guess Harris did employ a 'double standard' but at the time I'm guessing nobody minded so much.....too busy picking bodies out of the rubble after the indiscriminate attacks from german bombers V1's and V2's and strafing attacks on civillians by fighters (yes it happened, my father saw it)

one big difference was the allies dropped leaflets before the raids, giving warning what was likely to happen......I don't believe that courtesy was extended the other way.....unless the warnings were sticky taped to the nose cone of a V2.


I like the zippy pic.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

But I will have to say again that the British SIMPLY DO NOT celebrate Harris.

yes I guess Harris did employ a 'double standard' but at the time I'm guessing nobody minded so much.....too busy picking bodies out of the rubble after the indiscriminate attacks from german bombers V1's and V2's and strafing attacks on civillians by fighters (yes it happened, my father saw it)

one big difference was the allies dropped leaflets before the raids, giving warning what was likely to happen......I don't believe that courtesy was extended the other way.....unless the warnings were sticky taped to the nose cone of a V2.


I like the zippy pic.

So what's a statue if not a celebration of someone?

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

So what's a statue if not a celebration of someone?

a reminder?.......

next time theres a 'Harris day parade' then let me know, somehow it just seems to evade the calendar through lack of publicity.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

a reminder?.......

next time theres a 'Harris day parade' then let me know, somehow it just seems to evade the calendar through lack of publicity.

..a reminder? Of what exactly? Of area bombing? Because when I google Sir Arthur Harris the first thing that comes out it's his Area Bombing thing..

It's like saying "Oh, I will make a statue of Mussolini because he improved the rail system and introduced the pension schemes, just as a reminder you know.."

this is when you get desperate for some sense Bongo, your explanation really doesn't compute

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

..a reminder? Of what exactly? Of area bombing? Because when I google Sir Arthur Harris the first thing that comes out it's his Area Bombing thing..

It's like saying "Oh, I will make a statue of Mussolini because he improved the rail system and introduced the pension schemes, just as a reminder you know.."

this is when you get desperate for some sense Bongo, your explanation really doesn't compute

Yes.....why not? why not remind the world of terrible events in history and the people involved, no I will stick to my explanations in comfort, I obviously don't need to come to terms with anything, whatever you choose to represent Bomber command anybody wanting to find out more will eventually discover Arthur Harris.

Theres a waxwork of Hitler at Madame Tussauds, obviously your interpretation of what a statue or likeness is designed to achieve is different from most others.

Google is completely irrelevant in this whole discussion, when I google the same I find the Wiki which clearly mentions all the controvesy surroundin him and the statue, but reminds us of why the 'veterans' themselves sanctioned it.

I don't get desparate at all, but your need to prove the UK is some sort of maniacal German hating nation seems very desparate and computes even less.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Yes.....why not? why not remind the world of terrible events in history and the people involved, no I will stick to my explanations in comfort, I obviously don't need to come to terms with anything, whatever you choose to represent Bomber command anybody wanting to find out more will eventually discover Arthur Harris.

right, so according to your arm-twisting logic, it would be ok to have a statue of Gary Glitter for his "musical achievements"?

Do you even hear how ludicrous what you're saying is?
Last time I checked in the encyclopaedia of common sense, a full figure statue was meant as a celebrative form reserved for men that acted for the good of their own country, contributing in some substantial, determining and above all exemplar way.

And still you like to hide behind the curtain of "stop bashing the Brits you ungrateful bugger!".. if I made the statement about Hitler's statue that Hood did, god knows what you would have accused me of..

Theres a waxwork of Hitler at Madame Tussauds, obviously your interpretation of what a statue or likeness is designed to achieve is different from most others.

a waxwork that has been the object of many critics and damage apparently.. I don't think it's a good idea, especially when people take pictures with it.. it's twisted and resembles how light heartedly some people take the whole matter, turning one of the most twisted dictators of history into a tourist attraction is despicable.

Google is completely irrelevant in this whole discussion, when I google the same I find the Wiki which clearly mentions all the controvesy surroundin him and the statue, but reminds us of why the 'veterans' themselves sanctioned it.

I don't get desparate at all, but your need to prove the UK is some sort of maniacal German hating nation seems very desparate and computes even less.

you always have to generalise. It's not like the whole UK agrees about that statue as you know, that's my point. I just find it intolerable, like I wouldn't like a statue of Mussolini, Pol-Pot, Bin Laden etc...

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

a full figure statue was meant as a commemorative form reserved for men that acted for the good of their own country, contributing in some substantial, determining and above all exemplar way.

My bold.

Yes.

[Hood]

I'm struggling to think of anyone military we celebrate as a nation in the UK, or any military event. I guess D-Day and Battle of Britain day get a small mention but that's it. Like most countries we remember and honour the dead and the sacrifice they made.

I also view statues as reminders, not as glorification of the individual. Statues don't mean anything unless you know who the person was. As the biggest bogey man in history I'd even say Hitler deserves a statue. Problem is it wouldn't be a focus for reflection on mankind's predilection for tragedy but would be a symbol for Nazis everywhere and it might be viewed as celebratory in that context. I guess that is a thought for another time and place.

Hood

[ATAG_Dutch]

Celebrate - mark with a festival or special event

Commemorate (relating to stone, plaque etc) - be a memorial of.

Definitions from OED.

And Stern, if you can't see what was funny about that statement, given the bases of National Socialism, I'm not going to help.