Why no E4s

[jojovtx]

Originally Posted by recoilfx

no it's not. It has automatic prop pitch and it can be armed with M-Geschoss.

And these make the FM of the E4 different than the other Emil series? The issue here is flight model over or under modelling. It is known the 2a is overmodelled(or correctly modelled in a game which everything else is undermodelled). So FM is the issue. So cannons and prop pitch change the FM how again?

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by jojovtx

And these make the FM of the E4 different than the other Emil series? The issue here is flight model over or under modelling. It is known the 2a is overmodelled(or correctly modelled in a game which everything else is undermodelled). So FM is the issue. So cannons and prop pitch change the FM how again?

FM of the Spitfire IIa is NOT an issue for those flying on the Red side; never was, in fact. I've been a strong advocate of having the Spit IIa with its 15 measly seconds of widely dispersed popguns and sputtering carb made available, as it rightly should be, on every RAF airfield. By rights, so the E4 should be available on every LW airfield. The Spit IIa has a bit of an FM advantage; in the right hands the E4 is nearly equal in FM and has a huge firepower advantage.

As it turns out, until the patch sorts all these issues out, the Spitfire IIa and the ME 109 E4 have been temporarily removed from Server #1 since neither side can agree. Server #2, however, may be more to your liking.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

The Spit IIa has a bit of an FM advantage; in the right hands the E4 is nearly equal in FM and has a huge firepower advantage.

Come on, it's a bullxxxx. The FM will remain the same even if the pilot is an idiot. Anyone, who ever fly with 1v1 know, that the IIa far better plane than any other in the game.

I fly on ATAG regularly, the greatest disadvantage of the red side the red pilots (and the lack of situation awareness). Who fly on deck to france, because he regretted the time to climb. Who flying alone because no any teamwork. Who only looks forward, and fly straight, Who just chasing one german, instead of climb, and protecting the others, no matter how many red are front of him. Who climbs without any chance to catch the enemy, but it becomes a perfect target, and so on. They are slaughtered within minutes, no matter what weapons are allowed in the Messerschmitt.

[CaptainDoggles]

The Spit IIa has a bit of an FM advantage;

Don't be misleading. The Spit IIa has the advantage in level speed, climb, and turn.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Don't be misleading. The Spit IIa has the advantage in level speed, climb, and turn.

Don't be misleading yourself. The 109 can bunt into a dive and regain the initiative. Currently the E3 can easily outclimb, outdive, outshoot, and outrun the Hurricane Rotol -- yet you overlooked that, too. The Red pilots don't complain about it; they learn to adapt and fly better as a result.

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

If all things are equal when two planes meet, there respective performance will favor the superior flight model but thats a fight that shouldnt be picked imho.

Back on topic: The short answer to why certain plane's are not in server1, because to many people fight about it.

[Richie]

Originally Posted by MajorBoris

If all things are equal when two planes meet, there respective performance will favor the superior flight model but thats a fight that shouldnt be picked imho.

Back on topic: The short answer to why certain plane's are not in server1, because to many people fight about it.

Was anyone here flying in Warclouds WF during the 109 G2 Spitfire Mk. IX 25 lb boost debocal? What a hoot that was and I was tearing my hair out all the way threw it. I guess each side thought the others aeroplane was too good. I wanted an F2,F4 or G2 to fly. The servers solution was make it a 1944 server witch almost everyone liked but no Spitfire Mk IX 25 lb boost and no dogfight 109s witch totally screwed me. I got lost and went to Spits VS 109s witch again imo was always the best server for full real play for IL-2 on the Hyperlobby.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Don't be misleading yourself. The 109 can bunt into a dive and regain the initiative.

No, it cannot. It can bunt into a dive and return to base if and only if the Spit 2 pilot doesn't feel like chasing the 109 down, otherwise the Spit2 pilot only needs patience.

Currently the E3 can easily outclimb, outdive, outshoot, and outrun the Hurricane Rotol -- yet you overlooked that, too.

I didn't overlook that, because the Hurri and Spit 1a both have a sustained and instantaneous turn advantage over the 109. I also find it funny you mention climb rate, since the E-3 climbs better than the E-4. Should the E-3 be banned too?

What will you do when the Battle of Moscow expansion comes out and you have to rely on turn performance against the faster, better-armed Fw 190? Substitute the Yaks for Spitfires?

The Red pilots don't complain about it; they learn to adapt and fly better as a result.

Are you kidding? What servers are you flying where Red pilots aren't whining about cannons nonstop?

Edit: Sorry for dragging this off topic, I just can't stomach hypocrisy.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Hypocrisy? We happen to disagree but there's no call for insults, Captain Doggles.
I was sincere in my arguments and mistakenly thought you were likewise dealing in good faith.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Hypocrisy? We happen to disagree but there's no call for insults, Captain Doggles.
I was sincere in my arguments and mistakenly thought you were likewise dealing in good faith.

When confronted with an argument that you can't refute, ignore it and make an appeal to emotion.

Standard.