German Flak Organization

[5./JG27.Farber]

Some quick sketches for you.


Pre WW2 and 39/40




1941 ~ 1942







I need to read the whole article in full but thats the jist. The number of guns goes up during the war for each Batterie. Just pulled it out of the Luftwaffe handbook.

Basically you got it right, four in a square, command in the centre, with the option to run the predictor right out to one side.

[6S.Manu]

Thks Farber! Very Usefull!

[5./JG27.Farber]

Later in the war when it goes to 7 guns per Batterie the seventh goes in the middle. When an eigth is added they formed a ring.

O and each batterie had two 2cm AA... It doesn't show where they go though
Perhaps this is dependent on terrain.

[JG26_EZ]

Precisely what I was looking for Farber.. Thanks Alot!

I found the link below, after your post.. Which means I may have posted this in the wrong section.. But with a title like "organization" (way back on the 13th page of the FMB section), it's not so easy to spot . Maybe we can end up getting this merged with the thread/link below.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=24314

The thread is quite informative as to which, and how many units per battery, but doesn't have the info that's been added here.

All of this is helping me (and I'm sure others) out a bunch.
Thanks again all.

PS. Osprey.. Thanks. I'll post the two batteries I have in one object file that I did, but note that I had to lower certain 88's and ammunition eye candy, differently because they were on a bit of a hill. Not sure how well that will work elsewhere, but you can give it a shot. http://www.mediafire.com/?p1214ug47j4jsoh Perhaps you can line it up with the spot just next to Dieppe that I had it at heh. And no allied clusters of objects for you yet.. patience

[5./JG27.Farber]

Np, my experience with the trenches and object height is that the latter does not work and the former is somewhat dependant on terrain features and which sections are connected to what - even on a flat. They look fine in the editor but try them in multiplayer first.

Happy to help!

S!

[HenFre]

JG26_EZ Nice find Farber. The only things that I disagree with is that the commandpost II is in the middle of the firing position and not commmandpost I. Commandpost I is located a few hundred meters outside the firing position. Below is a goggle translation of the most important information from the following link:

http://www.relikte.com/brm_flak/index.htm

"The schematic structure of a heavy anti-aircraft battery 8.8 cm in the early days of the war:

Command Post I: It is located a few hundred meters offset from the firing position and includes the predictor (KdoGer 36) with the Meßtrupp I, the battery commander and the Meßoffizier.
Command Post II: It is the Meßtrupp II and commanded auxiliary device (KdoHilfsGer 35) in the middle of the firing position and takes on the fire line if Command Post I fails.
Firing position: It forms the basic shape of a square. The average distance of the Command Post II to the individual guns is 70 to 80 m.
Radio station: The 100-W radio station is laterally offset from the firing position. It turned to flight reporting frequency and listen to the air situation reports to provide a warning when enemy planes approached."

Also note the distance between the guns and Command Post II is 70 to 80 meters and the 2 cm flak is placed between the firing position and the Command Post I.

[csThor]

Don't take that too literally as it is based upon the static batteries of the Reich Defense. Closer to the front, especially in fluid situations which are so dominant in a war of movement, the battery would be set up with just the basics. That means the four guns, the generator and the Kommandogerät.

[HenFre]

csThor: Did not know that Thor, thanks. But dont you think that the frontline in BOB is somewhat fixed and therefore the before mentioned lineup apply?

[JG26_EZ]

lol great!

I spend an hour or two in the FMB building a command station for my 3 groups of 6 AA guns, and come back to find that my measurements are all incorrect? hehe AAhhh the joys of building missions on the fly.

Thanks for the info gentlemen.

[schilla22]

HenFre, those are diagrams are based on units for 1943 correct?

I found some documents tonight for Motorized Flak Battalions via May 1940. Only gives figures for Light AA Companies tho. Will post the information when i get a chance.