What is going to make this fun for you?

Originally Posted by rga

- Radio navigation, GCI, and if possible, electronic-assisted night bombing devices such as Knickebein or X-Gerät. Airbone radar is my ultimate dream.
- Better management for multicrew bombers: gunners that inform incoming attack, bomb aimer who takes care of the bombsight, navigator that keeps informing me about my position (should not be always accurate), pilot who can do simple things such as flying straight when I'm using the bombsight, or flying to a certain heading.

The "flying straight and level" or along a certain heading would be very helpful. Maybe something along the lines of Silent Hunter III, where you can set up waypoints in the map. Nothing too complicated, but something to keep your pilot from attempting a barrel roll when you're lining up for a bombing run. Maybe even something as simple as a "lock heading" command when you're just lined up with the target. The pilot keeps it going straight and level and doesn't change direction or altitude unless it's trying to avoid a collision.

[6BL Bird-Dog]

Level Stabaliser sensative to "trimelevator & rudder" would probably sort the stablity for the bombadier position,iL2 does it to a point but you tend to loose alt if your not careful.I Try to set the Bombsite before take off so it is an approximation of setting for when reaching the target.

[Meusli]

An Air Superiority mode.

Make an area in the centre of the map a capture zone, the team with the most aircraft in the zone capture it.

It would encourage more people to meet up in a certain area for dogfighting.

Originally Posted by Meusli

An Air Superiority mode.

Make an area in the centre of the map a capture zone, the team with the most aircraft in the zone capture it.

It would encourage more people to meet up in a certain area for dogfighting.

Good idea! Maybe even have an altitude parameter so that people are not mowing grass with their props. Every time I go online I get a little ticked that most of the aircraft are skimming the ground or hiding in a corner at 20,000ft.

[SKUD]

Squadron Series- The most fun I ever had was flying as sim was the S3 events on Warbirds back 10 years or more ago. Getting a historical scenario whipped up with commanders on each side and squads given specific assignments by those commanders. Victory is a completion of objectives within a preset loss range and for the other side denying victory to the aggressor is victory. Maybe a good commander will win or maybe the better squads? Limited lives-If you bail over friendly territory you get another plane after a set time out. Die and you can go back to the quake server and practice. Events have a preset start time and a limited length. No AI no co-op. All living targets.
To me, and I know a lot of others, flying with your squaddies in a coordinated objective-based manner is the most compelling reason to fly and by far the most satisfying. Anyone can get good enough flying to shoot down plenty of enemies but it is something else to keep a cohesive formation in the air and fight as a team.
Now, can we do this without any changes to the existing CLOD? Yes probably, but maybe some tools to help organize multi-squad missions, like scoring tools, squad based briefings, recon photos and waypoint maps would help.
-SKUD

Originally Posted by SKUD

To me, and I know a lot of others, flying with your squaddies in a coordinated objective-based manner is the most compelling reason to fly and by far the most satisfying. Anyone can get good enough flying to shoot down plenty of enemies but it is something else to keep a cohesive formation in the air and fight as a team.

This right here is the wording I was lacking. The racing, stunts, and capture the flag are good time-killers between real missions like what you just described. Give gamers a reason to not only shoot down the enemy, but fly well as a part of a bigger group, and you have a recipe for a sim that draws new players, moves off the shelves, and has a bit more staying power than what we have now.

[Feathered_IV]

I'm pretty easily pleased. Convincing AI chatter would improve things immensely. The current setup has just FOUR voice actors. Each one sounds like he's pulling words out of a hat and reading them with different expressions.

That and ai crews that actually do their jobs (but that will never happen).

[Codex]

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[csThor]

Originally Posted by SKUD

Squadron Series- The most fun I ever had was flying as sim was the S3 events on Warbirds back 10 years or more ago. Getting a historical scenario whipped up with commanders on each side and squads given specific assignments by those commanders. Victory is a completion of objectives within a preset loss range and for the other side denying victory to the aggressor is victory. Maybe a good commander will win or maybe the better squads? Limited lives-If you bail over friendly territory you get another plane after a set time out. Die and you can go back to the quake server and practice. Events have a preset start time and a limited length. No AI no co-op. All living targets.
To me, and I know a lot of others, flying with your squaddies in a coordinated objective-based manner is the most compelling reason to fly and by far the most satisfying. Anyone can get good enough flying to shoot down plenty of enemies but it is something else to keep a cohesive formation in the air and fight as a team.
Now, can we do this without any changes to the existing CLOD? Yes probably, but maybe some tools to help organize multi-squad missions, like scoring tools, squad based briefings, recon photos and waypoint maps would help.
-SKUD

It takes a very mature and committed community to make such setups work. I did lurk for a long time over at the S3 boards and was always fascinated by the setup (although I felt it was far too often far too fighter centered but part of this is owed to WB's planeset).

I think CloD - once its stability issues and AI problems are sorted out - could be a very fine base for such a setup, especially since we can actively use AI formations for types rarely flown by human players (bombers, Stukas, recon etc) but a few more things have to be added, yet. First I can think of is the ability to designate, target and destroy (and read from log) static area targets such as airfields, supply dumps, factories, supply lines (i.e. railway lines which can be broken) and similar targets. Right now that is not possible. Second would be an easier FMB, or rather the scripts part of it, since unless you know your stuff in C or similar languages you're stuck with very basic functionalities.

[SKUD]

Originally Posted by csThor

It takes a very mature and committed community to make such setups work. I did lurk for a long time over at the S3 boards and was always fascinated by the setup (although I felt it was far too often far too fighter centered but part of this is owed to WB's planeset).

I only flew a half dozen or so of these frames unfortunately but I remember one in particular-throwing my 6 FW190s against at least 60 B-17s piloted by human pilots. Quite an awesome sight when they first pop into view. The same awe felt by the LW pilots in defense of the Reich. Imagine what 600 looked like. We did like they did. We went in and did our job the best we could and try to get back alive.
I think most of us are attracted to this genre because we kind of wish we had been there and could become that part of history. Of course its nice not to face real death. It's also neat to see real life results emerge from a simulation.
-SKUD