BoBII discussion thread

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Your guess is as good as mine..

But don't get hung up on the split number..

The point to take away from all this is we know there is a split.. How much it is not as important as knowing there is one..

Which brings us back to square one

Do you think it is fair to compare the AI and OFFLINE Campain of a game that only focuses on OFFLINE to a game that trys to do both OFFLINE and ONLINE?

Personally I think not..

Unless the comparison is to say.. See how much better CoD's AI and OFFLINE Campain could be if CoD dropped ONLINE support and only focuesed on OFFLINE play

But as I allready noted.. The market drives these calls more than we would like to admit.. And todays market is more interested in ONLINE gamming than OFFLINE.. It is too bad really.. Because I can remember the detail of the OFFLINE campains in Red Barron.. The way you would progress threw the war.. And made you feel like you were having an effect on events.. For example, if you did good.. An enmy ace would 'challange' you to a duel! As in meet me in grid such and such at high noon.. Stuff like that really made pulled you into what was going on.. Where as todays OFFLINE campains.. in most games.. Enh.. They don't really draw you in like that anymore IMHO.. I have not tried RoF offline yet, I hear it has alot of that kind of stuff going on.

Why aren't they comparable? I am struggling to see why you believe a 6-7 year old game with a brilliant offline experience cannot be compared to a game released in 2011 which, as the developers expressed, would be the greatest sim in all departments: offline included. Up until release we were led to believe the AI would be something special: it would have it's own character. We were even told it would feel fear. In six years, technology comes a long way. BoB2 does have mutiplayer. It's just not a multiplayer game. There is nothing about CloD that means it can't rival Bob2, so your argument that the two are incomparable is negateable. It has no substance.

As others have said to, the origins of both sims are in no way similar. CloD is supported by paid developers. Bob2 is supported by unpaid community members, and has been for a very long time. But it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, offline games and online games are NOT mutually exclusive. They can happily exist together.

There is no reason to suggest that CloD can't equal BoB2. Even if we focus on BoB2's single-player missions, the developers had every opportunity to ensure that each mission they created was as close to historical events (of that particular day) as possible. They had every opportunity to make the AI perfect. They had every opporunity to ensure all the skins were correct. They had every opporunity to create a dynamic campaign, or to enable the game to run smoothly with large numbers of A/C, or to create an immersive comms system. The fact that they failed and that CloD's main selling point is the online experience does not automatically negate any comparisons to mainly offline games. No, no. In fact, the fact that it failed when it should have achieved makes the comparisons all the more successful. It gives CloD a benchmark to reach.

I can't see why you think the two aren't comparable. Your logic is illogical. In this instance, Oleg's advocation that offline is important ultimately shows that your argument is considerably weak.

Kendo is absolutely right. No one is saying that X is better than Y. We are saying that one is better in certain areas and that the other can look to improve on these departments. The history of the games makes no difference. At the end of the day, CloD should have a brilliant offline experience and it doesn't. Bob2 does and will contain my passion for the period. I would love CLoD to achieve, and I believe it can, and consequently I suggest it take a leaf out of BoB2's book.

don't bring online into this, I can't see why that had to be brought up. It's totally irrelevent to the argument: especially when the argument relates to a six year old game. Technology has come a long way in six years. BoB2 just chose to focus on offline gaming. It could have branched out online, but chose not to. It is as simple as that.