Friday Update, Q&A - December 23, 2011

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by JG53Harti

It seems, you never played a good online war like IOW/VOW.....
All would have been impossible without a well functioning coop mode
What we have now is, let me think about it.... nothing...
Only a big online gangbang

You are spot on, Harti. I have been waiting since premiere day for co-op mode and it is end of 2011 and all I can do is fly skirmish offline or airquake online. That is bad.

The progression of online war system in IL2 proved that the sim could be so much more than just server based fights. It was played like a game of chess by the red vs blue leaders on the online war site, then the pilots would take the chosen resources and put them where ordered. Whole historical campaigns rewritten : Moscow conquered, Smolensk conquered, Caen defended. Everything was there : shortage of resources, logistic worries, Reds ramming Heinkels just to stop them from bombing red tanks. Whole tank battles assisted by IL2/Ju87 assisted by fighters on multiple altitudes. It is just too much to wrote about. And on top of it all, every pilot could feel how it is to fly a loooong sortie, go back home to rtb, land safely and talk about the mission with teammates. It was this accomplishment of surviving a war flight sortie.

You simply can`t substitude this with deathmatch servers.

Oh and PS.
Regardless how airquake players read it : there is a whole crowd of squads waiting for CloD to get online war - ready. You can`t ignore those folks.

[Steuben]

Originally Posted by carguy_

You are spot on, Harti. I have been waiting since premiere day for co-op mode and it is end of 2011 and all I can do is fly skirmish offline or airquake online. That is bad.

The progression of online war system in IL2 proved that the sim could be so much more than just server based fights. It was played like a game of chess by the red vs blue leaders on the online war site, then the pilots would take the chosen resources and put them where ordered. Whole historical campaigns rewritten : Moscow conquered, Smolensk conquered, Caen defended. Everything was there : shortage of resources, logistic worries, Reds ramming Heinkels just to stop them from bombing red tanks. Whole tank battles assisted by IL2/Ju87 assisted by fighters on multiple altitudes. It is just too much to wrote about. And on top of it all, every pilot could feel how it is to fly a loooong sortie, go back home to rtb, land safely and talk about the mission with teammates. It was this accomplishment of surviving a war flight sortie.

You simply can`t substitude this with deathmatch servers.

Oh and PS.
Regardless how airquake players read it : there is a whole crowd of squads waiting for CloD to get online war - ready. You can`t ignore those folks.

Absolutly agree! Without COOP Modus (maybe implemented in the current system) like in Il2 CLOD is dead for me!

Even if they can fix the many bugs and a new graphic engine! Without proper online COOP modus this game will not work for many squads!

[HR_Naglfar]

Originally Posted by carguy_

You are spot on, Harti. I have been waiting since premiere day for co-op mode and it is end of 2011 and all I can do is fly skirmish offline or airquake online. That is bad.

The progression of online war system in IL2 proved that the sim could be so much more than just server based fights. It was played like a game of chess by the red vs blue leaders on the online war site, then the pilots would take the chosen resources and put them where ordered. Whole historical campaigns rewritten : Moscow conquered, Smolensk conquered, Caen defended. Everything was there : shortage of resources, logistic worries, Reds ramming Heinkels just to stop them from bombing red tanks. Whole tank battles assisted by IL2/Ju87 assisted by fighters on multiple altitudes. It is just too much to wrote about. And on top of it all, every pilot could feel how it is to fly a loooong sortie, go back home to rtb, land safely and talk about the mission with teammates. It was this accomplishment of surviving a war flight sortie.

You simply can`t substitude this with deathmatch servers.

Oh and PS.
Regardless how airquake players read it : there is a whole crowd of squads waiting for CloD to get online war - ready. You can`t ignore those folks.

Seems like my message got lost among all the pesimistic stuff, so I'll say it again.

There's no need of old coop GUI to make online wars right now. All the process of generate the mission, fly it, and report the log is obsolete and not needed. With scripts you can make whatever you want (an online war with real time air and ground movements, ordered in a web broswer map, for example).

There are a lot of possibilities to make online wars way better than all that we had with IL-2. But of course someone have to make it.

If there's a problem that makes impossible to fly online wars right now is the ram leak problem, not the lack of a not needed GUI.


PS: Anyway, I think that right now it's also perfectly possible to make old style online wars. The mission file structure is similar to IL-2, so there's no problem to generate a mission, and you can have a log of all the mission events.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by HR_Naglfar

Seems like my message got lost among all the
There's no need of old coop GUI to make online wars right now. All the process of generate the mission, fly it, and report the log is obsolete and not needed. With scripts you can make whatever you want (an online war with real time air and ground movements, ordered in a web broswer map, for example).

There are a lot of possibilities to make online wars way better than all that we had with IL-2. But of course someone have to make it.

You seem to know what you`re talking about, so please explain it to all the online war folks what is wrong with this game. The way I understood your post is like CloD : it is here but we are not there yet.

I flew those missions. Hundreds of them. They have been the single thing closest to an actual online dynamic campaign. But as you may know there was a website with tools, map, statistics, ready scripts and such. This led for main leader players to generate a mission file and off we go.

In the state this game is actually : can I turn on something like Hyperlobby and enter a slot to wait for an online coop mission? That is my most basic question for my most basic online sim game.

Where do we exactly miss the point with CloD?

[KG26_Alpha]

All I want is something like this ..............

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=139

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

All I want is something like this ..............

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=139

Same...
il2 was all about the coop online wars for me.

[HR_Naglfar]

Originally Posted by carguy_

You seem to know what you`re talking about, so please explain it to all the online war folks what is wrong with this game. The way I understood your post is like CloD : it is here but we are not there yet.

I flew those missions. Hundreds of them. They have been the single thing closest to an actual online dynamic campaign. But as you may know there was a website with tools, map, statistics, ready scripts and such. This led for main leader players to generate a mission file and off we go.

In the state this game is actually : can I turn on something like Hyperlobby and enter a slot to wait for an online coop mission? That is my most basic question for my most basic online sim game.

Where do we exactly miss the point with CloD?

Well... if someone makes a website with tools, maps, statistics and all that, capable of generate CoD missions (as I said, the structure is similar to old IL-2 so this must not be very difficult) and read CoD logs, I think that that's all the necessary to make an old style online war.

The missions can be generated with a coop script that, for example, forces the players to fly only in their assigned plane at the moment of generating the mission. Like I said the possibilities are nearly endless, but im not a programmer, so I don't know how to do it, only that can be done

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

Show us, make an online war that keeps track of everything, build us a mission where everyone can figure out what plane they're in before they start, give us the control and flexibility of the previous iteration's mode.

There are simply things that are missing, hidden, or otherwise impossible to do.

As I said I'm not a programmer and I don't know how to do it. But it can be done.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by carguy_

You are spot on, Harti. I have been waiting since premiere day for co-op mode and it is end of 2011 and all I can do is fly skirmish offline or airquake online. That is bad.

The progression of online war system in IL2 proved that the sim could be so much more than just server based fights. It was played like a game of chess by the red vs blue leaders on the online war site, then the pilots would take the chosen resources and put them where ordered. Whole historical campaigns rewritten : Moscow conquered, Smolensk conquered, Caen defended. Everything was there : shortage of resources, logistic worries, Reds ramming Heinkels just to stop them from bombing red tanks. Whole tank battles assisted by IL2/Ju87 assisted by fighters on multiple altitudes. It is just too much to wrote about. And on top of it all, every pilot could feel how it is to fly a loooong sortie, go back home to rtb, land safely and talk about the mission with teammates. It was this accomplishment of surviving a war flight sortie.

You simply can`t substitude this with deathmatch servers.

Oh and PS.
Regardless how airquake players read it : there is a whole crowd of squads waiting for CloD to get online war - ready. You can`t ignore those folks.

Your totally wrong, players have been flying, missions on the IL-2 Warclouds server for years that are mission based, and not airquake. Yes at times there will be people who join the server that arn't interested in the mission, but that can happen on Co-op servers aswell. The best part is you can join the mission 24/7 with no waiting, and you don't have to worry about someone running you over at the start of the mission and having to wait hours for the next mission to start.

The ATAG server in COD is mission based, and there are people flying bombers with full human crews, on long bombing missions. The tools are there like AI use and will only get better as the bugs and features are improved and more players join the servers.

[RickRuski]

Nothing in the replies from the team to get me excited, no information on progress or problems that have been solved ready for the next patch. To be truthful, sorry 3 out of 10 (and that would be generous) for keeping the community informed on real progress. Doesn't sound like we will see anything major until 2012 sometime.

Rick

[Steuben]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Your totally wrong, players have been flying, missions on the IL-2 Warclouds server for years that are mission based, and not airquake. Yes at times there will be people who join the server that arn't interested in the mission, but that can happen on Co-op servers aswell. The best part is you can join the mission 24/7 with no waiting, and you don't have to worry about someone running you over at the start of the mission and having to wait hours for the next mission to start.

The ATAG server in COD is mission based, and there are people flying bombers with full human crews, on long bombing missions. The tools are there like AI use and will only get better as the bugs and features are improved and more players join the servers.

Sorry but telling people they are totally wrong is ........(insert angry word here)! You obviously dont understand what the problem is! ATAG server is nice sometimes! But me in my squadmates want to fly together our handmade online campaign! We cant do that right now! Only maybe with some poor workarounds (which is not worth the trouble)! Handmade coop missions and campaigns were the best thing IL2 1946 had to offer! Period!