Fresh stuff from sukhoi.ru (Discussion)

[furbs]

equal energy states the spit 2 is far and away a much better plane.
So far ahead its not even worth talking about, if you cant see that you are either a idiot or a arse.

[ElAurens]

A. There are almost no Spit IIs to fly.

B. I've put up with you lying/propagandist Luftwhiners for ten freaking years.
We all know your game, no sense trying to even hide your intent.

C. In the current iteration there is no RAF aircraft that can compete with the E4, any advantage the Spitfire should have is simply not there, except for the IIa, which of course is limited to FOUR aircraft on ONE server.

D. Now you guys are gaming the game and using the autopilot on the Bf 110 to achieve speeds without overheat that are totally unrealistic.


Go cry me a river.

[335th_GRAthos]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

D. Now you guys are gaming the game and using the autopilot on the Bf 110 to achieve speeds without overheat that are totally unrealistic.

He, he, he, sorry ElAurens, please do not fall into the trap and take the stupidity xxxxx wrote for real (I had an excellent discussion with him in the other forum).

This ME110 autopilot achievement is complete rubbish that somebody with absolutely no knowledge of Blue planes (xxxxx's own words) wrote.
I know, because I was the pilot flying the ME110 on course-autopilot. Point.

So let us be careful and avoid building towers in the sand when there is no factual information behind...

I regret I was not fast enough stopping the culprit in his tracks thus you became victim of his missinformation.

~S~

[Insuber]

No really, gimme a break, we don't need a blue vs. red querelle now! Everyone is complaining, so it's not so unbalanced.

[CWMV]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

A. There are almost no Spit IIs to fly.

B. I've put up with you lying/propagandist Luftwhiners for ten freaking years.
We all know your game, no sense trying to even hide your intent.

C. In the current iteration there is no RAF aircraft that can compete with the E4, any advantage the Spitfire should have is simply not there, except for the IIa, which of course is limited to FOUR aircraft on ONE server.

D. Now you guys are gaming the game and using the autopilot on the Bf 110 to achieve speeds without overheat that are totally unrealistic.


Go cry me a river.

I know, arent we terrible for wanting a sim that resembels reality?!

Come on dude, read a freakin technical release/study from Messerschmitt/RLM regarding 109 performance.
Besides in game the E-4 and E-3 perform pretty much the same. No real winner between those two.

[Flanker35M]

S!

El Aurens, to answer your claims in a friendly manner..


A. 5 of them at start of mission. Giving more of them, say 10-20 would totally ruin the server. Like flying a stock Bf109G-6 against Sissy IX 25lbs on 1946

B. Pot blaming the kettle I say on this. I dare to say there are very few players that can look at things without emotional attachment to their favorite plane and it's performance related to the opponent.

C. Sissy II is more than capable of trashing Bf109E-3/4. Sissy I/Ia are a bit strange as I regard the Rotol Hurricane far more deadly. Clearly a FM check is needed on ALL planes.

D. Autopilot giving me more speed? Grathos pointed out this is false information. And again, can not outfly Hurricanes or Sissies in my Bf110C-4/7. Has no magic button or boost.

This neverending blue vs red is boring to be honest. If someone would make a sim with parameters as close to RL as possible even then someone would complain if losing to a so called "inferior plane". People should forget the books and all that when flying a GAME without ANY penalties except maybe a hurt ePeen or ego.

[CaptainDoggles]

Hahaha, I've never quite understood why people are afraid of the E-4. It's the same flight model as the E-3 except with automatic pitch. It actually doesn't climb as well due to the automatic prop.

Allied pilots think they need the Spit 2a which completely outperforms the 109 in every aspect just to be on a "level playing field"?

I hate this community sometimes.

[klem]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Hahaha, I've never quite understood why people are afraid of the E-4. It's the same flight model as the E-3 except with automatic pitch. It actually doesn't climb as well due to the automatic prop.

Allied pilots think they need the Spit 2a which completely outperforms the 109 in every aspect just to be on a "level playing field"?

I hate this community sometimes.

Well its going to be a mess until they get the FMs closer to where they should be. Meantime, having Spit Is underperforming more than the 109s underperform leaves the RAF with nothing that approaches a sensible situation and they always have one arm tied behind their back. The Rotol Hurri doesn't quite make up for it due to its poorer handling. Having a handful of Spit IIa thrown in (just try to get your hands on one!) goes some way to making us feel a little better, it's just unfortunate for the 109s that run into them, like its unfortunate for the Spit Is that run into the E3/E4.

Roll on the FM patch - whenever that will be.

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by klem

Well its going to be a mess until they get the FMs closer to where they should be. Meantime, having Spit Is underperforming more than the 109s underperform leaves the RAF with nothing that approaches a sensible situation and they always have one arm tied behind their back. The Rotol Hurri doesn't quite make up for it due to its poorer handling. Having a handful of Spit IIa thrown in (just try to get your hands on one!) goes some way to making us feel a little better, it's just unfortunate for the 109s that run into them, like its unfortunate for the Spit Is that run into the E3/E4.

Roll on the FM patch - whenever that will be.

Thank you Klem, you said it far better than I did.

Guys, I don't want to start anything, really I don't. However, until the FMs are better sorted, trying to make any type of historical mission is rather pointless, don't you think?

I'm just a very frustrated RAF pilot at this point. From my seat, there is no Mk. I RAF aircraft that is remotely competitive with any of the E series birds, with the exception of the Rotol Hurricane at very low levels.

Those of you who fly E models all the time should take ATAG_Bliss's suggestion to fly a Mk. I RAF aircraft for a month. Then you would see where we are at.

I'm going to be taking a break from the forums for a while as it is pointless to discuss anything till the FMs and overall game performance are better sorted.

Have a Merry Christmas all, see you in the New Year.

[jg27_mc]

Originally Posted by klem

Well its going to be a mess until they get the FMs closer to where they should be. Meantime, having Spit Is underperforming more than the 109s underperform leaves the RAF with nothing that approaches a sensible situation and they always have one arm tied behind their back. The Rotol Hurri doesn't quite make up for it due to its poorer handling. Having a handful of Spit IIa thrown in (just try to get your hands on one!) goes some way to making us feel a little better, it's just unfortunate for the 109s that run into them, like its unfortunate for the Spit Is that run into the E3/E4.

Roll on the FM patch - whenever that will be.

I can buy that... It seems reasonable enough. Never understood why the hell red people are complaining against E4's... The most porked fighter in the sim is the Spit Ia.