Friday Update - December 9, 2011

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by salmo

Thankyou for the update BlackSix. Your efforts are much appreciated.

However, I have to say that the response to requests for documentation on the FMB, triggers, switches & scripting is unsatisfactory. It's been 9+ months since the game was released with no (zero, nada, zip, nil) fmb documetation & to recieve the response " People who can write the documentation are same people who improve the game. They are buried in other tasks and cannot yet put the game away and start writing prose." simply beggers belief

IMO, the game will not mature until the community can get actively involved in enhancing the game, for this they need documentation & the SDK's. That way, the community can develop certain game enhancements while the Dev's continue to improve the core of the game.

I just looked at the on-line COD server list , whch makes very disappointing viewing. It does not bode well for the game's future. Just 12 on-line game servers, 11 of them empty & one with just 10 players only on a weekend (Friday night/Saturday).

All this is a function of the sim being unfinished. When the sim is finished then they can produce the documentation. You can't document something until your sure how it will end up. Same with On-line play, although its very playable online for people with decent clean systems, its not for othere with weaker systems. The sim still needs optimization. Off-line the sim isn't very good for anything but furballs. When the sim is finished and documentation complete, it will take off, until then a considerable amount of patience is required.

Yes we can throw the development under the bus for the constant unrelenting delays, but then what. (zero, nada, zip, nil) for the next ten, twenty years until someone else trys to build something this complicated. The almost limitless money pit of Microsoft along with everyone else gave up long ago.

[csThor]

It's rather telling ... I mean rewriting the gfx engine and the sound engine (and perhaps the physics engine, too?) means that they're essentially doing a new engine from scratch. So apparently something has gone thoroughly FUBAR during development of the current/previous one. Not to mention that there was a change in management, a whole new bunch of team members and an increase of employees to boot.

It is, indeed, not satisfactory that key features are missing - a real campaign system, the promised weather stuff, documentation ... But then rewriting a game engine is never easy and quick. Right now we've paid for an unfinished game engine ... and MG will have to deliver quite a lot to regain the lost faith of the customers with the sequel. I don't expect anything ground-breaking until the new title.

[kestrel79]

Guys relax,

This is most likely just going to be like the IL2 series with sequels (updates) being able to be merged into the Cliffs of Dover install, just how Pacific Fighters worked.

[fireflyerz]

Yawwwnnn , aw gawd anyone got any good news.

[BPickles]

If theres even a hint that to get the features i was supposed to get when i paid for clod, i have to pay again because they only get added in BoM, 1C can go suck it. That would be a blatent held to ransom over features already paid for.
Glad to see some still have confidence that it wouldnt be done like that though. Me, im not sure what to expect.

[robtek]

Originally Posted by BPickles

If theres even a hint that to get the features i was supposed to get when i paid for clod, i have to pay again because they only get added in BoM, 1C can go suck it. That would be a blatent held to ransom over features already paid for.
Glad to see some still have confidence that it wouldnt be done like that though. Me, im not sure what to expect.

It seems that you don't understand.

You've got everything what was printed on the box, though not faultless.

Missing features, which will not be fixed for the new il2, exist only in your imagination.

[F19_Klunk]

I am a bit surprised at comments such as "you have gotten all that is listed on the box so what are you complaining about"?

I am not complaining, it's just that I bought a product in a box but it got badly treated in the mail and quite many parts are broken and I would like them to be fixed/replaced within a reasonable time so that I may enjoy the product I bought. That is not complaining... that is just beeing a concerned consumer/customer.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by robtek

It seems that you don't understand.

You've got everything what was printed on the box, though not faultless.

Missing features, which will not be fixed for the new il2, exist only in your imagination.

This seems like some kind of Animal Farm affair. In a few months we'll be told that Oleg was a mythical person, whose soul motive was to disrupt the progress of the sim. Any information posted by said person was just false.

Obviously I'm joking, but you forcing people to believe your take on the game is ridiculous.

The truth is this: a lot of people, on this forum, bought the game with Oleg's 'promises' ringing in their ears. They seemed more tangible than a game that was as bare as the inital release. It didn't seem credible that a game in development for that length of time would be in the state it was. Yes, we got what was on the box, but we should have been told that a) to run the game like the preview videos, it would have to be run at 1/8 speed and sped up, and b) that the features Oleg had listed, posted videos of, shown screenshots of, were not to be included in the inital release.

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by robtek

It seems that you don't understand.

You've got everything what was printed on the box, though not faultless.

Missing features, which will not be fixed for the new il2, exist only in your imagination.

The problem with this pov is that there really isn't space for much information on the box. Most of the people on this forum will have been following closely the regular dev weekly updates over the preceding year+ which went into great detail about exactly the features that would be in the game (or were expected to be in the game)

It is just being really disingenuous for some people to insist that everything that was expected was included at release. I bet even Luthier would not attempt to take that position. I really don't know why certain folks here have such sensitivity to any implied criticism of the game that they are reduced to such distortions.

For the record, before Aces or someone else jumps in with the usual response, I'm not one of the compulsive knockers of this game (ask someone like Tree about my defense of the game in the run-up to release). I just can't have the woolly dishonesty and distortions of those who refuse to recognise any problems.